[BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Place bug reports / questions here.

Moderators: Balthagor, Legend, Moderators

Post Reply
Arahatree
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 202
Joined: Mar 23 2019
Human: Yes

[BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Arahatree »

Hi!

I didn't find this bug on this forum, so i think nobody noticed so far.

I select transport units, configured with high initiative, controlled by the minister. I order them to escort any other unit. After their supply is gone they go to airbase/airfield to resupply, but they never come back to resume the escorting order, they just stay there in the airfield not moving anymore.

The same bug happens with land transport.

Thank you in advance
Attachments
Transport escort no come back.jpg
User avatar
Balthagor
Supreme Ruler
Posts: 20697
Joined: Jun 04 2002
Human: Yes
Location: BattleGoat Studios

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Balthagor »

Not sure of the immediate solution, but worth investigation.
Ticket 26285
Chris Latour
BattleGoat Studios
chris@battlegoat.com
Arahatree
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 202
Joined: Mar 23 2019
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Arahatree »

Balthagor wrote:
Dec 08 2020
Not sure of the immediate solution, but worth investigation.
Ticket 26285
Thank you Balthagor,

As soon as i have free time tonight or tomorrow morning i'll also upload a saved game about this one.
User avatar
Balthagor
Supreme Ruler
Posts: 20697
Joined: Jun 04 2002
Human: Yes
Location: BattleGoat Studios

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Balthagor »

Uploads might be difficult due to file size limit. You can email them to me. Zip them up and include the ticket number in the email.
Chris Latour
BattleGoat Studios
chris@battlegoat.com
Arahatree
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 202
Joined: Mar 23 2019
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Arahatree »

Ok, i started a new game, same bug happens, and just sent it by email.

Thank you!
SGTscuba
General
Posts: 2060
Joined: Dec 08 2007
Location: Tipton, UK

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by SGTscuba »

Ok, I have tested this and can confirm the following:

1) If you have minister initiative off, then the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then come back to escort the unit again.
2) If you have the air minister initiative on, then the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then forget about the order and go into the default landed/no order at the airbase until the minister calls for it to go elsewhere.
3) If you have the air minister initiative on, but lock the transport plane from the ministers control, the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then come back to escort the unit again.

I haven't tested if this is only on the 1 initiative level or all of them but I can give that a try too if desired.

So my conclusion is that if the AI is permitted to control it, on returning to base it forgets its order and awaits a new one.
My SR:U Model Project, get the latest and post suggestions here:

http://www.bgforums.com/forums/viewtopi ... 79&t=28040
Arahatree
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 202
Joined: Mar 23 2019
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Arahatree »

SGTscuba wrote:
Dec 11 2020
Ok, I have tested this and can confirm the following:

1) If you have minister initiative off, then the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then come back to escort the unit again.
2) If you have the air minister initiative on, then the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then forget about the order and go into the default landed/no order at the airbase until the minister calls for it to go elsewhere.
3) If you have the air minister initiative on, but lock the transport plane from the ministers control, the transport plane will escort the unit, run low on fuel, return to the airbase and then come back to escort the unit again.

I haven't tested if this is only on the 1 initiative level or all of them but I can give that a try too if desired.

So my conclusion is that if the AI is permitted to control it, on returning to base it forgets its order and awaits a new one.
Thank you for testing SGTscuba

That's right, now i have locked the Transport aircraft and now it's coming back to escort.

However, we still have issues:

1) the transport aircraft only goes back to the airbase to resupply when it's out of fuel, but not when it's out of supplies in the cargo. So, it's flying for along time over the units without supplying them until they run out of fuel.

2) When they comeback from the airbase to resupply the ground units, they come back only with the cargo filled at 60% more or less. They should wait for their cargo to be fully filled before going to supply the ground units. This, coupled with the first issue, are making the transport units very inefficient and you need lots of them to supply a few ground units.

3) Since they have to be locked from the minister to come back to escort, they don't go to repair when they are damaged. And they are damaged very easily with ground AA, enemy aircraft, etc.
SGTscuba
General
Posts: 2060
Joined: Dec 08 2007
Location: Tipton, UK

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by SGTscuba »

I think all 3 are intended behaviour, but you would have to get a Goat to confirm that (although I have noticed these too, and they have been like this since SR2020).
My SR:U Model Project, get the latest and post suggestions here:

http://www.bgforums.com/forums/viewtopi ... 79&t=28040
CeaganP
BattleGoat Team
Posts: 25
Joined: May 01 2020
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by CeaganP »

This looks like intended functionality. It sounds like you're noticing a limitation to the AI's capabilities more than it is a bug. It is likely what's happening is when the unit gives a supply order it overrides the existing escort order.

It is good to know this, we will keep it in consideration for the future. If you notice cases that are similar please feel free to post them up. At worst we can try to use these limitations to help us avoid them in the future.
Arahatree
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 202
Joined: Mar 23 2019
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by Arahatree »

CeaganP wrote:
Jan 04 2021
This looks like intended functionality. It sounds like you're noticing a limitation to the AI's capabilities more than it is a bug. It is likely what's happening is when the unit gives a supply order it overrides the existing escort order.

It is good to know this, we will keep it in consideration for the future. If you notice cases that are similar please feel free to post them up. At worst we can try to use these limitations to help us avoid them in the future.
Thank you for checking this out, it feels very good to know what was going on, i thought it was a bug.

I'm glad this has being useful for future improvements :-) :-) :-)
CeaganP
BattleGoat Team
Posts: 25
Joined: May 01 2020
Human: Yes

Re: [BUG] Transport units don't come back to escort

Post by CeaganP »

Keep on letting us know what you find! Worst case we all get to understand the game a bit better ;)
Post Reply

Return to “Issues and Support”