No Vichy? Italy "bubbling" France

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No Vichy? Italy "bubbling" France

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Playing Germany i encountered some strange (and annoying) AI behaviour:
Italy Chose to fight my side against France from the very beginning (ahistorical btw, they entered the late Phase). They send masses of Units to the german/ France border and after conquering a few hexes they turn Italian. Whenever i am faster it gets german, when they are faster it gets italian thus creating italian and german bubbles in France. Very annoying!

Second i won against France and neither "Annex" nor "Colonize" creates a Vichy Regime, it all belongs to me. WAD?
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There are events for the formation of Vichi France, but if history gets too far off track, it simply won't happen. I hope to improve the feedback on the conditions required to trigger the Vichi events on my next review of the German campaign. I don't remember the conditions off hand.
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But history always gets off track in all my games, usually Germany and France slog it out until mid-late 1940 and sometimes France wins. Also Germany doesnt seem too interested in the Benelux countries, ive never seen them invade.
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Germany only seems to invade the Benelux countries if it has actual trouble with France.

I was playing a game a Poland yesterday, and the only units that the french army seemed to put onto the battlefield against the Germans were the units I gifted them and a handful of Mech.Engineers. It was as if they didn't produce any units until the war started.
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second that. Playing Germany i didnt encountere anything else but Garrison at all (99%).
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Btw, the flag of Vichy France is wrong, it should have the French flag as in theory it was the legal continuation of the French Third Republic...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France
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We'll look into the flag (19898)
tommo8993 wrote:But history always gets off track in all my games...
Campaign or sandbox?

I've been doing some review of both to try and make it play more historical if player are minor nations or do the same actions as done by the majors. Not sure if those changes will be next update or further out.
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One thing that could be happening as France is they could be selling off their units. I was playing as the UK and noticed a stream of units leaving France from the start of the game. They had all kinds of flags on them, South Africa, Brazil, etc and were French. There was even a number of French ships that had been sold to the US sitting around until 1941 or so. Very odd.
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Balthagor wrote:We'll look into the flag (19898)
tommo8993 wrote:But history always gets off track in all my games...
Campaign or sandbox?

I've been doing some review of both to try and make it play more historical if player are minor nations or do the same actions as done by the majors. Not sure if those changes will be next update or further out.
I´ve got it in campaign mode.
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Scout34 wrote:One thing that could be happening as France is they could be selling off their units. I was playing as the UK and noticed a stream of units leaving France from the start of the game. They had all kinds of flags on them, South Africa, Brazil, etc and were French. There was even a number of French ships that had been sold to the US sitting around until 1941 or so. Very odd.
Noticed that too, France is almost drained of units when the war starts, because it sold quite some of them (been able to make myself a real navt from ships/subs sold by France among others)
they even sometime sell their best navy units (advanced cruiser not yet researched but available as units for France). This makes no sense and should be fixed (same problem for USSR, it is always France, USSR, UK and USA selling units, you will never see Germany or Italy or Japan sell units on worldmarket).
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Just an observation, based on a bunch of Sandbox games.

If Poland falls before Sept 1939, the whole war (besides the Axis DoW on USSR and USA) becomes questionable. If France falls before the spring of 1940, Vichy does not form, and Germany doesn't invade BEL/NETH/LUX either.

On the good side, I haven't seen the Germans trying to land ships in London anymore.
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the forming of Vichy shouldnt be related to the time when France falls... I normally beat it within less than a month after war start due to the fact that France has no Units at all...just like the polish.
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Ozi wrote:the forming of Vichy shouldnt be related to the time when France falls...
So what should it be related to? What are the situations that caused Germany to accept that some of France remain France (of sorts)?
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well, let me be more specific: There shouldnt be a set date at which VIchy is possible first. If i conquer them in January Vichy should fire in the very same manner as it should to in spring 40. Theres no reason an early beaten France wont fire the Vichy Event.
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So if Germany conquers France in Dec '36 Vichy should form? That is your opinion on this?

And to be clear, there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to hypothetical situations. Only plausible/implausible representations. We're happy to make adjustments but they need to be clearly defined suggestions.
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