France vs Germany

[Mission Space]

I think France but my friend thinks otherwise, I just wanted to see your opinions..In a war

[Benjaminvallen1]

Do you mean who would win a war or who is just a better nation? I would say Germany either way because I am a half-German American. Long live sacred Germany!

[Mission Space]

In a war

[Benjaminvallen1]

Still Germany. On the seas, France has an advantage, but I think the pure stealth of 212 U-boats (quieter than even America's hunter-killer nuke subs) would make a big difference. On land, the Leopard 2A6 is alot better than the current French Leclerc MBT. The air force may be a problem. For instance, the Dassault Rafael would be a major problem, but I think the Tornadoes and other aircraft could manage, especially considering that the F35 will soon become a major weapon in both nation's arsenals. Also, German Luftwaffe pilots are widely recognized as some of the most skilled fliers in the world. For instance, in exercises German pilots in older Mig-29s have a 50/50 kill ratio against American fliers in the latest model of F15, which is very impressive. Also, the Panzerhaubitzer 2000 would be purely devastating in the open country of France. It would be a crazy war, one way or another.

[Mission Space]

I'd think the Leclerc would be better in Open country..its much much faster than the Leopard..

[sa_3_d911]

I'd think the Leclerc would be better in Open country..its much much faster than the Leopard..

Although i don't like very unrealistic wars that has no pretext of events leading up to the war which to me is 100 times more important because the influence spheres & outer pressure & international support could be just as important & powerful as the army.But i am pro german 100% the Germans are more skilled pilots as previously stated & has much more international presence than france also the leo is much better & more effective than the leclric .so i am with Benjaminvallen1 on this

[Mission Space]

I'd think the Leclerc would be better in Open country..its much much faster than the Leopard..

Although i don't like very unrealistic wars that has no pretext of events leading up to the war which to me is 100 times more important because the influence spheres & outer pressure & international support could be just as important & powerful as the army.But i am pro german 100% the Germans are more skilled pilots as previously stated & has much more international presence than france also the leo is much better & more effective than the leclric .so i am with Benjaminvallen1 on this

I guess you don't like them because of Suez Invasion..I never really hear of the Germans anywhere in the world but Afghanistan..and maybe a tiny bit in Africa.

i hear about the French in Africa, Afghanistan, Carri bean, and even in the Indian ocean and South America..

I don't believe Germans are more skilled pilots than the French..if you know the French shot down many German planes during the invasion of France..

[Kreiger815]

What...this is a question? The French would obviously fly the white flag of surrender within a week.


On a real note.

The German Army has better equipment than the French in my opinion, and their navy as said previously has very good submarines.

However, the French have nukes, so I think that gives them a victory....unless the NATO shared Nuclear weapons from the US come into play.

[LebaneseLion]

Vive La France!

[Vuk-Wolf]

I think germany would win. They got better equipment and more specialised army and training. And France would must think about using nukes. World would hate it.

[The Khan]

Es Lebe Deutschland!

Mit Türkei.

[Lea]

It has reminded me old disputes on the Great Patriotic War beginning (for ignorant is a part of the World War II). The victory is not based in a thickness of the armour or guns. The victory can be reached only cold-blooded and full-ruthless retribution. What country won't stop before sacrifice of millions, tens millions people? France, Germany - you joke indeed! Only if they battle the immigrants - Turks against Algerians...

[Hullu Hevonen]

I support a German victory in case of a all out duel involving only these 2 parties

Germany has still gotten a active conscription. Germany has gotten a stronger land army (you can't win a war like this solely on air, naval force)
Leopard 2 vs Lecrec
-120mm gun both
-2x7.62mm machine guns vs 1x12.7mm machine gun and 1x7.62 machine gun (the german guns fires more rounds per minute than it's france counter-parts but the lecrec has little more calibre)
-weight: ca 62 t vs 50-55 t
-engine: 12 cylinder(ca1100kW) vs 8 cylinder (ca1100kW, Wärtsilä, Finnish )
-operational range: 550km each
-speed:72km/h vs 71 km/h

Air force comparison
size: ca 630 air crafts/Helicopters vs ca 980 air crafts/Helicopters
The France Air force is suppirior in both size and quality. German main fighters include Eurofighter & F-4. France main fighters include Dassault Mirage 2000, Dassault Rafale and Dassault Mirage F1.

Naval Comparison
I support the france navy, they have more ships and larger ships, though the german subs and frigates are not bad them selves

[StrikeForce20]

No No, France wins

[Spetznaz123]

No No, France wins

I agree..I never really liked Germans anyways sorry to all those who are Germans