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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 14 2012 
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2020 lacked 2 versions of the Abrams which imo could have been included. I`m referring to the M1A1HA+ and M1A2SEP. I know they`re sub-versions of the M1A1 and M2A2, but I think the first makes sense so as to differentiate between the american versions with DU armour(the HA) and some of the exported/built under license versions(like the egyptian one) which are supposed to lack the DU. I suppose that if they were to meet in game the american one should have better stats so it might be worth having the M1A1 version split into two like this.
The SEP is imo worth adding not only because it has increased armour(and weight) and should probably have increased initiative too in game terms, but also because it has one less fuel tank than the previous versions(less fuel carried) and, as a consequence, a considerably shorter range. So it probably too deserve to be separated from the main M1A2 branch.

This, being just a thought I`m sharing with you given our interest in the modern period. I`d be curious to see your take on it. It`s not btw a request to include/change something in/to your mod.

Its a constant work in progress.. So any feedback is welcome. More often than not its not that I don't want to add something.. its that I'm a one man team doing database/models/UI etc etc. So I hop around do something til I'm sick of it and move on to something else. Eventually I'll come back to it, and many times If I don't have feedback I end up doing whatever I want... which isn't always what needs to be done. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 17 2012 
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Hey look... the new york times figured out what I did almost a year ago. (or maybe they just based their report off the mod :lol: )
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/world ... wanted=all

The Emirate of Waziristan is a name I applied to the haqanni networks shadow government(check the leader :wink: ).

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 17 2012 
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Fistalis wrote:
Hey look... the new york times figured out what I did almost a year ago. (or maybe they just based their report off the mod :lol: )
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/world ... wanted=all

The Emirate of Waziristan is a name I applied to the haqanni networks shadow government(check the leader :wink: ).


Knowing the level of journalistic research in newspapers these days, my bet is some intern googled the subject, found your mods, and thought it was "some think tank or sumptin" and bam!, instant factoid.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Aragos wrote:
Fistalis wrote:
Hey look... the new york times figured out what I did almost a year ago. (or maybe they just based their report off the mod :lol: )
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/world ... wanted=all

The Emirate of Waziristan is a name I applied to the haqanni networks shadow government(check the leader :wink: ).


Knowing the level of journalistic research in newspapers these days, my bet is some intern googled the subject, found your mods, and thought it was "some think tank or sumptin" and bam!, instant factoid.

:D

Pssh I am a think tank.. you think I just make this stuff up? You would be amazed at the amount of data/research I analyze when working on this mod.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 17 2012 
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Fistalis wrote:
Aragos wrote:
Fistalis wrote:
Hey look... the new york times figured out what I did almost a year ago. (or maybe they just based their report off the mod :lol: )
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/world ... wanted=all

The Emirate of Waziristan is a name I applied to the haqanni networks shadow government(check the leader :wink: ).


Knowing the level of journalistic research in newspapers these days, my bet is some intern googled the subject, found your mods, and thought it was "some think tank or sumptin" and bam!, instant factoid.

:D

Pssh I am a think tank.. you think I just make this stuff up?


Not a bad idea, as it is tax day here in the US. Declare yourself as a non-profit, tax exempt think tank.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 21 2012 
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Newest test version up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16692168/Test%2 ... 0World.rar

Added new art assets.. partially Implemented.
Added Version # to main menu.
Minor fixes I don't remember because I've been distracted with Art assets.
Known issues:
Some of the FARC guerrillas have the wrong model
Few of the models need some minor fixes.
Icon graphics on the new units are incorrect in most cases. (threw in some placeholders til i feel like messing with them)
Lizard Camo M-16 model improperly showing the wrong texture. (Greece is the only country I can think of who has this assignment)
Mexicos OOB was not updated so the marines they start with are in olive greens.

Note: There a fair number of data changes planned for the next full version I simply haven't implemented them yet. I've been distracted by the art assets.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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If I can suggest a few OOB errors:

Kosovo in real life have 2 special forces regiments

Croatia:
Does not have any of the Kotor class frigates. Montenegro has 2 in reserve. Croatia have 2 Helsinki class PGs and 3 indigineus (generic) missile PBs.
Does not have a second squadron of MiG-21 Lancers. Only one squadron of MiG-21s.
Does not have Mi-24s (or -Mi-35s) any more (scrapped 10 years ago)
Does not have Degman tanks or M-84Ds (planned for production). It has only ~90 of M-84 Sniper tanks and ~200 T-55s in reserve
Have only 3 amphibious ships (lublin)
Have some (~ 20-30) RBS-15 missiles
No SA-9 or SA-13
No Milan3

Slovenia:
Does not have SA-9 or ZSU-57-2 , but it does have One Roland battery

Macedonia:
Have Su-25s in reserve

Hope this woul'd help you!


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Zuikaku wrote:
If I can suggest a few OOB errors:

Kosovo in real life have 2 special forces regiments

Croatia:
Does not have any of the Kotor class frigates. Montenegro has 2 in reserve. Croatia have 2 Helsinki class PGs and 3 indigineus (generic) missile PBs.
Does not have a second squadron of MiG-21 Lancers. Only one squadron of MiG-21s.
Does not have Mi-24s (or -Mi-35s) any more (scrapped 10 years ago)
Does not have Degman tanks or M-84Ds (planned for production). It has only ~90 of M-84 Sniper tanks and ~200 T-55s in reserve
Have only 3 amphibious ships (lublin)
Have some (~ 20-30) RBS-15 missiles
No SA-9 or SA-13
No Milan3

Slovenia:
Does not have SA-9 or ZSU-57-2 , but it does have One Roland battery

Macedonia:
Have Su-25s in reserve

Hope this woul'd help you!

SA-13 - represents Strela 10 CRO (indigenous upgraded version of SA-13) but somehow I think you know this all too well ( :wink: ) and that you base this statement on speculation that the missiles for it are no longer operational as they were due for overhaul some time ago.

Similar speculation is that the cca. 45 originaly obtained RBS 15 missiles are also no longer opertional for the same reasons as Strela :wink:

Navy part is correct, Croatia has just 2 Helsinki class patrol boats and 3 indigenous Kralj class PB ("almost" indentical to Helsinki class if you "generaly" compare armament and stats :lol: ) and no Kotor class frigates.

He used Lancer's as they are the closest ingame to bis version. And I believe he used two squadrons considering the un-operational ones too.

How many M-95 or M-84D did you find in their OBB? He fixed this as far as I remember HUH

P.S. sorry for the hectic response, but this was easiest way for me :D

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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number47 wrote:
SA-13 - represents Strela 10 CRO (indigenous upgraded version of SA-13) but somehow I think you know this all too well ( :wink: ) and that you base this statement on speculation that the missiles for it are no longer operational as they were due for overhaul some time ago.

Similar speculation is that the cca. 45 originaly obtained RBS 15 missiles are also no longer opertional for the same reasons as Strela :wink:

Navy part is correct, Croatia has just 2 Helsinki class patrol boats and 3 indigenous Kralj class PB ("almost" indentical to Helsinki class if you "generaly" compare armament and stats :lol: ) and no Kotor class frigates.

He used Lancer's as they are the closest ingame to bis version. And I believe he used two squadrons considering the un-operational ones too.

How many M-95 or M-84D did you find in their OBB? He fixed this as far as I remember HUH

P.S. sorry for the hectic response, but this was easiest way for me :D


My mistake about SA-13 [_]O The fate of RB-15 is still undetermined. There are some rumors that manufacturer refuses to repair them (due to very long period with missiles lacking maintenance). But there are also rumors they will repair them after all...
Croatian MiGs were remonted in Romania, but were not upgraded to Lancer standard. They lack avionics, radar or guided weapons capability that Lancer posses. These are only MiG-21s from the '70is. The unoperational MiGs were scrapped for parts to keep the rest flying.
There are only 4 Degman prototypes. Production is halted due lack of funds. M-84D is extensive upgrade of M-84 Sniper. There were only few of M-84s upgraded to M-84D standard due lack of funds. So, Croatia only have ~80 M84 sniper tanks....

Montenegrian navy has many ships left from Yugoslavia, including a 2 subs (sava class), One Koni class and 5-6 missile PGs.... all in reserve... if they didn't sold that for scrapp metal so far....


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Missiles for SA-10 CRO are operational...


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Hey Fistalis!!!!
When new version?


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Zuikaku wrote:
My mistake about SA-13 [_]O The fate of RB-15 is still undetermined. There are some rumors that manufacturer refuses to repair them (due to very long period with missiles lacking maintenance). But there are also rumors they will repair them after all...
I agree, as this is just a game, speculation that something "might" not be in operational service any more should be disregarded (unless some hard evidence is presented) :D
Zuikaku wrote:
Croatian MiGs were remonted in Romania, but were not upgraded to Lancer standard. They lack avionics, radar or guided weapons capability that Lancer posses. These are only MiG-21s from the '70is. The unoperational MiGs were scrapped for parts to keep the rest flying.
I know that Mig21-bisD has only some of the Lancer program upgrades but as the game only has 3 Mig-21 versions (Mig-21 Fishbed-C, Mig-21SM Fishbed-J and Mig-21 Lancer-A) the closes ingame unit to Croatian Mig-21bisD was Mig-21 Lancer-A. :wink:
Zuikaku wrote:
There are only 4 Degman prototypes. Production is halted due lack of funds. M-84D is extensive upgrade of M-84 Sniper. There were only few of M-84s upgraded to M-84D standard due lack of funds. So, Croatia only have ~80 M84 sniper tanks....

True, but the game should show exactly what you said...although, there is a possibility Fistalis left the 2 Degman's (if you check the unit strenght you'll see it is not a full 44 just 2 :wink: ) but I don't remember he did anything other than adding M-84D design to the game as the BG missed it (M-84D didn't exist at the time database was created).

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Zuikaku wrote:
Missiles for SA-10 CRO are operational...

S-10 CRO if you want correct abbreviation for Croatian version of SA-13 (to avoid confusion with russian SA-10 which also exists in Croatian OOB even though it is doubtful the system was ever completely operational but remember what is my stance on unconfirmed speculations even though it is more realistic that this speculation is in fact true :wink: )

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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number47 wrote:
I know that Mig21-bisD has only some of the Lancer program upgrades but as the game only has 3 Mig-21 versions (Mig-21 Fishbed-C, Mig-21SM Fishbed-J and Mig-21 Lancer-A) the closes ingame unit to Croatian Mig-21bisD was Mig-21 Lancer-A. :wink:


Well, the only "upgrade" the D version has is GPS, new radios and NATO FFS system (friend or foe). nothing else. they didn't even repaired the original radars and newer radar was not installed. So, it is much closer to MiG21SM than Lancer...

And for the RBS-15 ...let's assume that half of them are beyond the repair and include only 15...


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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And whoever did the OOB research for 200 countries represented in the game, did colossal job! Respect! :wink:


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