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 Post subject: AI amphibious assualts
PostPosted: Apr 14 2012 
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Has anyone been attacked by the AI with an amphibious assualt? I have not seen it in any of my games.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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They don't tend to do them that often because most of the time it is not necessary for them to do so. If they have an ally nearby they can base from, then they will attack overland instead and use merchant marines to transport troops into the area. They will only amphib assault IF they have no other way of getting to that nation.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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I've seen the AI do 2 different types of amphib assaults. But its good at neither and rarely does them. :wink:

A quick way to see type 1.. is start as hondorus and declare war on the U.S. they will use war ships to clear out your ports and usually land a few troops there. Once they have the port lots of reinforcments come in.

Type 2.. the old version where it uses transports instead of merchant marines is far more rare. But I've seen it happen a few times in my modern world mod.

Both are rare but for different reasons. Type 1 is rare because unless the defending nation has almost no military or the Attacking nation has overwhelming naval force the ports are never cleared for merchant marines.

Type 2 is rare for a multitude of reasons.. The AI prefers merchant marines over transports, Transports that are big enough to carry large contigents are rare in the 1949 starting date and of course the AI has never been very keen on these types of Assaults anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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I have seen the AI send merchant marines into garrisoned ports. When I deploy marines to 'wide river' hexes in areas where there is no port, the AI just ignores it as if they have no way to respond. I have a game as N. Yemen where the UK and the USSR are at war with me. Neither nation has attacked Yemen its self.

It seems like once you learn the blind spots of the AI, world conquest is simple even for a small nation.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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This is an old issue in the SR series. I do know that in 2020, after some of the later improvements, I've seen the AI (particularly USA when fighting Cuba) launch some decent amphibious invasions. I fear that the merchant marine innovation in Cold War, which is a good idea on many levels, might have further complicated this matter though for the AI. Perhaps update 3 might address this matter in a round-a-bout way by refining the whole merchant marine concept?


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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I've seen the UK (me as USA, vs. USSR, et al) do an amphib using an Essex class carrier I sold them. Was kind of neat.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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in my current game has NV NATO invaded the USSR at two locations. first one is a force coming through captured Finland but the NATO forces seem to dock in allied ports. The other was in Ukraine. It was a type two assault where NATO laned forces of assault ships then captured a port for merchant ships to dock at. This force reached 100km from Moscow before the RED air force cut them up and those Russian heavy tanks came in to play then NATO was pushed back to the beach. Both assaults where launched by the UK has they control all the land and are the only Nation at war with the USSR The UK is a massive power in my game controlling a unified Germany large parts of Finland and the coast of Ukraine all thanks to the proxy war system

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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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SoB wrote:
in my current game has NV NATO invaded the USSR at two locations. first one is a force coming through captured Finland but the NATO forces seem to dock in allied ports. The other was in Ukraine. It was a type two assault where NATO laned forces of assault ships then captured a port for merchant ships to dock at. This force reached 100km from Moscow before the RED air force cut them up and those Russian heavy tanks came in to play then NATO was pushed back to the beach. Both assaults where launched by the UK has they control all the land and are the only Nation at war with the USSR The UK is a massive power in my game controlling a unified Germany large parts of Finland and the coast of Ukraine all thanks to the proxy war system


Yep, I've seen that as well. On VH or H vol, the UK/USSR war always starts over Gibraltar. I've seen the USSR take Gib more than once; however, that almost always brings in the Spanish who kick them out (and keep the new Spanish Gibraltar lol)


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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Would love to see the AI do a full-scale attempt with Communist Chinese to take Taiwan...or vice versa, and the Nationalists trying to re-take the mainland. Anyone ever seen anything like it? I know I haven't.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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Chauncey wrote:
Would love to see the AI do a full-scale attempt with Communist Chinese to take Taiwan...or vice versa, and the Nationalists trying to re-take the mainland. Anyone ever seen anything like it? I know I haven't.


Not with amphib ships. I've seen both try it (PRC to Taiwan and vice versa) but only using the 'grab a port' tactic with merchant ships.


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 Post subject: Re: AI amphibious assualts
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Aragos wrote:
Chauncey wrote:
Would love to see the AI do a full-scale attempt with Communist Chinese to take Taiwan...or vice versa, and the Nationalists trying to re-take the mainland. Anyone ever seen anything like it? I know I haven't.


Not with amphib ships. I've seen both try it (PRC to Taiwan and vice versa) but only using the 'grab a port' tactic with merchant ships.



in one game where i was USSR china attacked japan, did not last long has they did not follow up on there gains.

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