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It would great to see this ships available in the game:

-Montana class battleship

-Strike Cruiser

-to develop the Nautilus attack submarine

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if i remember correctly, I saw what appeared to be battleships in the demo videos. They could be cruisers though. If a particular sub isn't in the game, we can simply add it ourselves

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poll added

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You forgot about the small but deadly missile cutters like the SAAR class of Israel or OSA class of the USSR extra

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CPO Mzinyati

I would vote for the Aegis Cruiser or Iowa Class BB but neither of them are in the poll.

IIRC Iowa was the only BB used well after WW2.

Ticonderoga is the Aegis, and Iowa is obsolete - not modern anymore

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The 1980 refit Iowas were quite capabe vessels, though expensive. Besides, our time frame is 1949+, the Iowas were very relevant during this period. All 4 of them saw extensive combat in Korea, and New Jersey was quite popular amongst the Marines serving in Vietnam for her timely, accurate, and overwhelming bombardments.

Added frigates to the list.

Yes Iowas were good for shore bombardment but this days is massive bombardment are not needed anymore, tomahawks are much accurate and longer range than a 400mm 1 ton shell. What use would have an Iowa class in Irak? And are also too expensive to run

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You're making my point, not invalidating it. The Iowas after the 1980 refits were missile platforms. Harpoon missiles, Tomahawk missiles, new fire controls, in addition to helicopter/drone capabilities, heavy armor, and 9x16" rifles. They also had crew requirements reduced by about 60% through automation and elimination of the obsolete small-caliber AA batteries and supporting crew. When you look at the Iowas, they were quite capable for surface warfare, shore bombardment, and precision long-range bombardment (via cruise missiles.) Their main weaknesses were lack of AA missiles and high operating costs.

Yes but why build an Iowa when you can build 4 Ticonderogas that are cheaper to mantain and can cary more missiles in the VLS launchers. One good shot and 58000 tons are going down, and also it lacks stealthy features that modern warships are built with.

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Because you couldn't build Ticonderogas in 1949.

And 4 Ticonderogas wouldn't come close to matching an Iowa for smashing a beach. The Navy didn't build any more BBs for decades because they were invested in carriers and missiles and had plenty of battleships in storage. I mean, seriously, your first post talks about the Montana class, which was an Iowa with a 4th 16" turret and some minor protection changes, in exchange for a few knots speed reduction. You can't have a poll about Cold War ships without one of the badasses of the Cold War. The contract for the Sachsen frigates wasn't even awarded until 5 years after the Cold War ended, but you have it up there...

And small missile boats.

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CPO Mzinyati

The iowa's are still technically in the reserve, as congress insists on still having them available for action to a degree, but it would cost upwards of 500 mil to 1 Billion to reactivate them. The Iowa could probably take a godly amounty of ASM's as well due to the thick armor, so they aren't a sitting duck. Plus, most modern ships with the exception of super-carriers are relativly thinly armored, and so a 16 in AP shell from an Iowa would render most ships destroyed, which is quite effective and cheap, but lacks range. You could also throw a little more down and add some VLS systmes and a basic Ageis system, but that would be too much cost for too little gain. Best bet would upgrade the radars, and put some Sea Sparrow launchers on it. That's plenty for close in AA and mid-range AA.

As for stealth, I don't see Carriers that stealth. You would use the Iowa similar to a CBG, or attach it to one, where stealth is less of an issue.

ya i wouldn't mind to see the Iowa's come back into service as big missile platforms.

Ideally, what they could do now is do a modified Montana class Ship. It would cost the same as a aircraft carrier, but for oparations like Libya, would be supior since you could put down laser guided 1 ton projectiles with ease, provide area air defense, hold and launch spec ops, and house a couple of choppers, either apaches for air to mud work, Seahawks for ASW, or blackhawks for spec ops insertions. Plus you still have the expensive tomahawks for longer range targets. Sadly, it's still going to be manpower intentsive, and expensive to desighn and build. But one can wish.