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SRGW - British Emirates of Jabal Shamm - No such entity & Map Errors

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The SRGW map area of Arabia is several issues that need correction, including:

* * The map presents the area as being "British", an Emirate to be exact (Emirate of Jabal Shamm). Not the case.
That the "emirate" is also described as a Democracy is beyond credible belief!@!


* * The map only presents one major area of control of Arabia, outside the Ottoman controlled zone along the Red Sea, etc.

The Arabian peninsula (outside Turkish control) comprised two major areas of Muslim control - neither of which controlled the whole area......


* * The Emirate of Shaamar, controlled the northern area of Arabia, from Al Jawf to Al Ha'll (much like an oval shape);

Emirate of Jabal Shammar

The Emirate of Jabal Shammar, also known as the Emirate of Haʾil or the Emirate of The House of Rashīd, was a state in the Nejd region of Arabia, existing from the mid-nineteenth century to 1921.
Capital: Ha'il
Founded: 1836
Government: Theocracy, Absolute monarchy
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* * The Emirate of Wahabi, controlled a southern area of Arabia, controlled Riyahd and an area to the NE from there to near the coast, but not the coastal area seized by the Turks in 1913 [see map forwarded].


* * The remaining area of the Arabian peninsula (outside the Hadramault (or other spellings) and Turkish controlled Red Sea zone, remain in Disputed Lands.....no one has control over them.

Some further background, provided by Wikipedia:

The Emirate of Jabal Shammar (Arabic: إمارة جبل شمر‎‎), also known as the Emirate of Haʾil (إمارة حائل) or the Emirate of The House of Rashīd (إمارة آل رشيد), was a state in the Nejd region of Arabia, existing from the mid-nineteenth century to 1921.[1] Jabal Shammar in English is translated as the "Mountain of the Shammar". Jabal Shammar's capital was Ha'il.[1] It was led by a monarchy of the House of Rashīd. It includes parts of modern day Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Jordan.

The Emirate of Jabal Shammar was established in 1836 and spent most of its existence in a feud with the House of Saud over control of Nejd. The Rashīdis, rulers of Jabal Shammar, had succeeded in ousting the Saudis from Riyadh in 1891 following the Battle of Mulayda. This resulted in the abolition of the Second Saudi State, the Emirate of Nejd, and incorporation of its territory into Jabal Shammar.

As the Saudis were out of the picture, exiled in Kuwait, the House of Rashīd sought friendly ties with the Ottoman Empire to its north. This alliance became less and less profitable during the course of the 19th century as the Ottomans lost influence and legitimacy.

In 1902, Abdulaziz Ibn Saud succeeded in recapturing Riyadh for the House of Saud, and began a campaign to reconquer the region - a campaign which turned out to be highly successful for the Saudis. After several clashes, the Rashīdis and Saudis engaged into a full scale war over the region of Qassim, which resulted in a painful defeat for the Rashīdis and the death of the Rashīdi emir Abdul Aziz ibn Mitaab al-Rashīd.


A photograph of Abdul Aziz bin Mutʿib, nicknamed "Al Janāzah". the sixth Amir of Jabal Shammar.
Following the death of the Emir, Jabal Shammar gradually went into decline, being further pressed with the demise of its patron in World War I. Ibn Saud, allied with the British Empire as a counterweight to the Ottomans' support for Jabal Shammar, emerged far stronger from the First World War.

The Emirate of Jabal Shammar was finally terminated with the Saudi campaign of late 1921. The Emirate surrendered to the Saudis on November 2, 1921, and was subsequently incorporated into the Sultanate of Nejd.
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Appreciate the map being amended in forthcoming Update.

Thanks for reviewing. :-)


[Bathagor: appropriate map forwarded to private email]
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Re: SRGW - British Emirates of Jabal Shamm - No such entity & Map Errors

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Not sure why you say it's a democracy, it begins as a colony. In the database it appears to be set as Monarchy for if made independent. The name is clipped, so happy to drop "Jabal". Could we get away with Shammar Emirate to make it even shorter?
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Balthagor wrote:Not sure why you say it's a democracy, it begins as a colony. In the database it appears to be set as Monarchy for if made independent. The name is clipped, so happy to drop "Jabal". Could we get away with Shammar Emirate to make it even shorter?
OK, I know where I saw the Democracy and transferred the thought to the emirate.

Yes of course, especially if: "Emirate of Shammar".......using a transliteration of Arabic "emirate" would come first (IIRC) and drop the term "British" (since it clearly with the flag and all, is GB) to make it even easier.

Though I don't agree it should be a "British" colony - there is nothing in that desert region in 1914 that was "British"....
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Ah, so it should be an independent region? That would make things easier.
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Balthagor wrote:Ah, so it should be an independent region? That would make things easier.
YES.

As should the also small Emirate of Wahhabi, to its south (see my description & map sent (private email).

Thanks! :-)
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Making Shammar independent is easy (done for next update) and adding Wahhabi not overly difficult based on the map you sent except for what to do with the rest of the territory? The game doesn't support either disputed territories nor empty areas as defined by that map.
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Balthagor wrote:Making Shammar independent is easy (done for next update) and adding Wahhabi not overly difficult based on the map you sent except for what to do with the rest of the territory? The game doesn't support either disputed territories nor empty areas as defined by that map.
Suggestion. OK, just split it up with straight line between them......
Turks did not control area either, so leave the area between them divided roughly equally.

Thanks for addressing. :-)
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