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BigD145 wrote:The "scientists" that actually do believe things in their "work" and "studies" and "experiments" are not scientists.
So, you actually agree that every "scientist" who is trying to black list anyone who does not "believe" in the entirety of "man made global warming" is a fake and a fraud, and are not scientists? Let me make sure. Does calling anyone who disagrees a "Global Warming Denier!" seem like rational scientific behavior to you? When filling in holes in temperature recordings from the mid 20th century, would a scientist fill in averaged data? or tilt every filled-in reading to one end of the spectrum to back his "beliefs"?

We really need some clarification on your stance, because your post reads like you are defending global warming alarmists as being real scientists. The type of behavior you describe as being "non scientific" is commonly and universally displayed only by such global warming frauds.

The really and truly hypocritical aspect of this whole thing is this. Global warming ***** claim to be respecting and protecting Mother Earth. Yet the belief that Humans are so vastly more powerful than nature is inherently disrespectful. This fact alone tells me that Socialism is the root of this whole shebang. Socialists display this attitude over and over again. Laws passed to protect Minorities always scream, "This group of people is incapable of taking care of themselves! So we must ride in on our white horses and pass laws to make it easier for them! They could not possibly survive the world without Us to protect them and carry them!"

Personally, even if I was Gaia, I would prefer taking care of myself instead of having someone tell me I am incompetent. If you really had respect for the Earth, you would be well aware that she can destroy us any damned time she feels like it. If you were truly enamored with pure scientific behavior, then you would want industry and such to go right on polluting so that you could get accurate data about the true effects. You would want to prove or disprove theories about man made global warming, not make a guess and start the witch hunt for those who disagree.

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nah lets face it, we just live in a pre-ice age period, and the temperature rises... I reckon all the CO2 only increased the T by say 1C max over the century... Oh and biofuels arent viable yet... so who wants to buy some uranium? :D
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Lightbringer wrote:...Global warming ***** ...
I really dislike this term. I think that we are experiencing "Climate Change" and "Global Warming" and will discuss it with friends sometimes. I also lost my great grandparents in Auschwitz. Putting those terms together really seems offensive to me, it feels like I get painted with that brush just for having my own opinion.

Now, I didn't get offended because I have exchanged enough messages with you Lightbringer to believe I get respect from you but I thought it was worth mentioning...
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Ditto that. Godwin's law on a scientific issue seems very ugly. Plus Al Gore may be a conman, but the issue IS partly true, partly yet to be revealed.
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Balthagor wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:...Global warming ***** ...
I really dislike this term. I think that we are experiencing "Climate Change" and "Global Warming" and will discuss it with friends sometimes. I also lost my great grandparents in Auschwitz. Putting those terms together really seems offensive to me, it feels like I get painted with that brush just for having my own opinion.

Now, I didn't get offended because I have exchanged enough messages with you Lightbringer to believe I get respect from you but I thought it was worth mentioning...
Yes Chris, you do have my respect. Enough so, that I shall refrain from using that term. People who casually believe in "Man Made Climate Change" are not who I aim that epithet at. People who get skeptics fired... People who coined and use the term "Global Warming Denier" (as if it were on par with denying the Holocaust)... People who want to radically change entire economies, including massive new taxation, all for a theory... These types are who my comments are aimed at.

While there is evidence of warming, there is no concrete tie to Human activity. It would be an awful shame to impose massive change and economic chaos in the name of a natural and unstoppable process. There is quite enough scientific data to call the basic premise into question. Enough into question that we should wait for more conclusive findings before taking massive action. I am quite willing to discuss and argue the whole matter in a civilized fashion, as long as those I argue with admit that there is something to argue about. The type of person I spoke of does not.

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red wrote:I'm not all that fond of Al Gore either. It just looks like that because in comparison to some people here, his name does not get me frothing at the mouth. :lol:

It's true that China and India are increasing their emissions, but I don't think it's fair for us to say, "no, poor people, stay down there, we can't do without our gas-guzzlers!" It's only fair that the United States pay a price for its extravagant living and its long history of emissions in comparison to countries that are just now starting. It's just unfortunate timing for them--they are being held to a much higher standard than we have held ourselves.
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Fishcop wrote:When you put a tax on success and achievement, then what will be your incentive to achieve these things?
A more insightful question has never been asked.

Let me jump across threads for a second though.
Fishcop in[i]Georgian Global Politics[/i] wrote:We should cut a deal with Russia. Stop giving nukes to Iran and we will remove the bases in Poland. Maybe that is what we are really after in the long run?
So let me pose a question to you here in context of your own question to Red. If there is no punishment for antisocial, criminal behavior, and it in fact brings someone a reward they sought, what is their incentive to stop such behavior? Just as punishing good behavior and success reduces them, rewarding bad behavior increases it. I'll have a post in that thread with a more detailed reply to the situation discussed there.

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Quit using petroleum!!! It's making the sun go out!!!

...the Ice Age cometh...
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Lightbringer wrote:...the Ice Age cometh...
I read it but I don't think it has anything to do with Global Warming in the sense of "human behaviour is affecting the average temperature of the earth". The main points seem to be that the sun is cooling and that the sun has some effects on the earth's climate. I thought both of those facts where widely accepted and not very controversial. Did I miss something in the article that you though was controversial?
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So...ummm... what the article is saying is that during the period global warming supporters claim co2 caused the earth to get hotter,that sunspots were very active ?

And that now, that sunspots are becoming less active,which apparently happens regularly in cycles,the earth is in for a cooling phase ?

Soooo.... if we do have an ice age, can we than feed Mr Gore to the polar bears ?I volunteer to pay for the antacid,so the bears dont get too sick afterwards :P

OOOOO...oooooo.. I know ! We can burn Mr Gore to create more CO2, and hence counter the ice age. :P

OOOOO.....oooooo... and doesnt this mean throwing our garbage at the sun is now a good idea ? :P

Evironmental Quackery should be a crime :P
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I remember a small thread about Global Dimming in Exit Mundi, a brilliant website of doomsday scenarios with intense scientific references and citations. It talk about Plane exhaust gases really slowly blot out the sun, and after the 9/11 tragedy, when all planes were grounded, and then the sun was brighter and the air even warmed up.

It even has the religious doomsdays explained.

Ah, I talk too much without the link: www.exitmundi.nl
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Lightbringer wrote:...the Ice Age cometh...
I read it but I don't think it has anything to do with Global Warming in the sense of "human behaviour is affecting the average temperature of the earth". The main points seem to be that the sun is cooling and that the sun has some effects on the earth's climate. I thought both of those facts where widely accepted and not very controversial. Did I miss something in the article that you though was controversial?
Tkobo pretty much covered it. I have been exclaiming since this hoax began that the Sun had about a million times more effect than car farts on the climate. The controversial part is the dismissal of solar activity previously displayed by proponents of man made GW. You may accept solar activity as relevant, but AlGore and his ilk have not. It does not fit into their religion.

Chris, please keep in mind that I do not have a problem with those who are concerned about mankind's role in this issue. I have a problem with those who A. Want to cram their beliefs down everyone's throat and smother debate. B.Those who are pushing this agenda in an effort to make tons of money dishonestly. I.E. AlGore and his electricity black hole mansion.

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I didn't actually catch where they said the sun had more or less effect on the climate than other factors, just that it has a measurable effect.
Lightbringer wrote:...Chris, please keep in mind that I do not have a problem with those who are concerned about mankind's role in this issue...
I realize, but you and tkobo sometimes seem at the opposite end with the articles you post, trying to completely defeat the theory of mankind and it's way of life having an effect on the world climate. I just like to do some rabble rousing of my own once in a while ;)

Why should Tkobo have all the fun? :D
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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LOL Fair enough Chris.

As for seeming to be an unrational moonbat on the opposite side of the debate, think of it this way. Picture a man trying to walk a tightrope, only he has a 300 pound gorilla frantically pulling at his left hand. If he doesn't lean very noticeably to the right, he is going to fall off the rope. This is a very important thing to understand and always keep in mind about Americans. Every single one of us, every single day, has a 300 pound (130 Kilos or so) gorilla trying to pull the entire debate (every single debate actually) to the left. Most of us are moderate by nature, but those of us who want the end result in the middle, not in between left and center, feel the need to lean right in instinctive reaction to that gorilla.

Regarding how much affect Solar energy has on the Earth's temperature...
In 2002, this was more energy in one hour than the world used in one year.
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Think of the Earth as a house with a big efficient central heating system. If someone turns the heat up to 35C it is going to get frigging hot in there, regardless of whether the air filter is dirty or not. If someone turns the heat down to 10C it is going to get cold, no matter how many incandescent light bulbs are burning. Since man is smaller than a flea in the carpet of this imaginary house, I doubt rather seriously that a billion flea farts are going to change the temperature in any significant way when the thermostat gets adjusted. I am not saying those flea farts won't make a difference, but 1/10th of a degree is not noticeable when the thermostat has been adjusted 10 whole degrees. (These numbers are not intended for scientific facts or readings, only for an example of the scale of force difference between the sun and our pathetic attempts at polluting the air.)

I, for one, will bet my chips on the source of the heat, not on some minor adjustment the heat encounters. As I have stated before, we don't need to keep polluting like madmen, but we don't need to throw the entire world economy into turmoil and chaos to change how we do things either.

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