About freaking time, damn college nippers :P
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About freaking time, damn college nippers :P
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4796845&page=1
They should do the same in EVERY college in the country.The blind eye people turn to these locations is just insane.
They should do the same in EVERY college in the country.The blind eye people turn to these locations is just insane.
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Well, as far as the U.S. goes, i would disagree.
The complete lack of proper upbringing of children today,which is the real major cause of drug use,is a prime concern.
Crime is out of hand in the U.S., because very few people put the proper effort into raising their kids, and than "society" gives the damn immoral brats free passes.
I say give them one shot to get and stay clean, 2nd drug infraction should be their ticket to becoming worm food.
AND i lump alcohol in "drugs".
Remember, a damn lot of these little brats are going to go on from being childish immoral scum to become corporate immoral scum.
College is turning into little more than a training ground for scum.Not much different than prisons, as far as the end result they have on far too many of these "people".
The next Tobacco corporates ,Drug Company corporates, the next "Enron" corporates ,Wall Street corporates, etc.. are "working on their degrees" right now.
AND lets not forget the vast amounts of drug cash go on to fund an even vaster array of additional crimes.
The complete lack of proper upbringing of children today,which is the real major cause of drug use,is a prime concern.
Crime is out of hand in the U.S., because very few people put the proper effort into raising their kids, and than "society" gives the damn immoral brats free passes.
I say give them one shot to get and stay clean, 2nd drug infraction should be their ticket to becoming worm food.
AND i lump alcohol in "drugs".
Remember, a damn lot of these little brats are going to go on from being childish immoral scum to become corporate immoral scum.
College is turning into little more than a training ground for scum.Not much different than prisons, as far as the end result they have on far too many of these "people".
The next Tobacco corporates ,Drug Company corporates, the next "Enron" corporates ,Wall Street corporates, etc.. are "working on their degrees" right now.
AND lets not forget the vast amounts of drug cash go on to fund an even vaster array of additional crimes.
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Wow, you really are angry!tkobo wrote: I say give them one shot to get and stay clean, 2nd drug infraction should be their ticket to becoming worm food.
AND i lump alcohol in "drugs".
Remember, a damn lot of these little brats are going to go on from being childish immoral scum to become corporate immoral scum.
College is turning into little more than a training ground for scum.Not much different than prisons, as far as the end result they have on far too many of these "people".
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many different paths lead to drug addiction, unfortunately. Some children are left alone, and try everything. Others have a very strict education, & see drugs as an escape(got 1 example in my family, took him 20 years to exit addiction). There is no obvious solution.
For many, selling drugs is the only way out of poverty. The lone business that they have enough capitul to fund, and with enough ROI to be worth the work. That's the main argument of "legalizer" : drugs dealing is everywhere because it is economically viable. It is econimically interesting because it is forbidden. But it is not an argument, when you know the damage of addiction(and I have seen).
For many, selling drugs is the only way out of poverty. The lone business that they have enough capitul to fund, and with enough ROI to be worth the work. That's the main argument of "legalizer" : drugs dealing is everywhere because it is economically viable. It is econimically interesting because it is forbidden. But it is not an argument, when you know the damage of addiction(and I have seen).
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Nah, low on patience and big on not sugar coating the problem and the solution.Baloogan wrote:
Wow, you really are angry!
Values, knowing right from wrong, is becoming an endangered quality .
And its easy to see the results.
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Unfortunately, the problem you mentioned (lack of proper parenting) is not only US problem, it seems it's becoming a global problem. I suppose its closely related to the amount of marriages that end up in divorce. That effectively breaks up home where children should be raised and they end up taught on the streets, from television or internet (hard to tell which is worse).
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Having been addicted to Cocaine, Crank, Alcohol, and Pot at various (and overlapping) times of my life, I feel I can speak from "inside" this subculture. Harsher laws are not going to solve the problem. Trust me, I am not calling for softer laws, in most cases, some toughening up of the legal code is in order. What such Draconian punishments as "two strikes= death penalty" would do is discourage some of the rich yuppy kids, and turn the majority of poor addicts into vicious, anarchic killing machines (compared to their depraved behavior at present). Most of the criminal actions resulting from and including the drug use, stem from a sense of hopelessness. If they know they are going to die if they get caught "this time", then what is to stop them from killing to escape being caught? "Hell, why not kill that mutha over there and jack his wallet? What are they gonna do, give me the death penalty?" Making these losers feel like their life, and life in general, is even cheaper than they already do is asking for a bloodstorm.tkobo wrote:Well, as far as the U.S. goes, i would disagree.
The complete lack of proper upbringing of children today,which is the real major cause of drug use,is a prime concern.
Crime is out of hand in the U.S., because very few people put the proper effort into raising their kids, and than "society" gives the damn immoral brats free passes.
I say give them one shot to get and stay clean, 2nd drug infraction should be their ticket to becoming worm food.
AND i lump alcohol in "drugs".
Remember, a damn lot of these little brats are going to go on from being childish immoral scum to become corporate immoral scum.
College is turning into little more than a training ground for scum.Not much different than prisons, as far as the end result they have on far too many of these "people".
The next Tobacco corporates ,Drug Company corporates, the next "Enron" corporates ,Wall Street corporates, etc.. are "working on their degrees" right now.
AND lets not forget the vast amounts of drug cash go on to fund an even vaster array of additional crimes.
You answered the problem correctly. We have to change society. we have to change public opinion. We have to change how these people are being raised. I am not saying coddle them, I am saying that we can't save the ones lost (they have to save themselves like I did). The only true solution involves the ones who haven't started yet or been born. Turning our cities into war zones with gangs openly fighting cops and cops rounding up whole neighborhoods to send off to the death camps is not going to make things better. These people will proudly go to prison innocently to keep "the code" and the "respect" of their peers. We have to make staying off drugs and out of trouble into "the code". In short, we have to teach them to be proud of themselves, and proud of not being a drug addicted loser.
I won't go into who has been brainwashing poor people into enslaving themselves with self destructive behavior. But they have controlled the mainstream media for 40+ years, and 90%+ of people who feel like "victims" vote for them.
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Thats why i cover two parts.
(1)Change the society by changing the parents AND the children who will become the society.
BUT ,since you cant fix some people.NO matter what you do,some will still be nothing more than a plague on society.
(2)AND for these people, a line has to be drawn, where enough is enough.
AND that line has to do a decent job of protecting society from these people, which means the line has to be reached fairly soon by those people traveling down the wrong road.
Hasher laws, the harshest most possible, are the ONLY thing that will stop some of these people.
AND these are the people who are already at the "Hell, why not kill that mutha over there and jack his wallet/sneakers/jacket/hat/chewing gum/etc...? What are they gonna do, give me the death penalty?"stage.
Theyve already crossed any reasonable line by miles.
BUT Currently,the line as its defined now is almost never considered reached or crossed ,and society suffers more and more each day due to this.
And the first instance means they go to jail til they are fixed.They stay there til then, no more of this "he did his time for THIS offense ,time to let him out so he can commit another" crap.
AND any infraction in jail equals time 2, welcome to worm foodville.
(1)Change the society by changing the parents AND the children who will become the society.
BUT ,since you cant fix some people.NO matter what you do,some will still be nothing more than a plague on society.
(2)AND for these people, a line has to be drawn, where enough is enough.
AND that line has to do a decent job of protecting society from these people, which means the line has to be reached fairly soon by those people traveling down the wrong road.
Hasher laws, the harshest most possible, are the ONLY thing that will stop some of these people.
AND these are the people who are already at the "Hell, why not kill that mutha over there and jack his wallet/sneakers/jacket/hat/chewing gum/etc...? What are they gonna do, give me the death penalty?"stage.
Theyve already crossed any reasonable line by miles.
BUT Currently,the line as its defined now is almost never considered reached or crossed ,and society suffers more and more each day due to this.
And the first instance means they go to jail til they are fixed.They stay there til then, no more of this "he did his time for THIS offense ,time to let him out so he can commit another" crap.
AND any infraction in jail equals time 2, welcome to worm foodville.
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I don't think this article really had much to do with college. These were fairly professional dealers, and some percentage of the population will always use drugs, especially the younger segments. So some people using drugs means some young people using drugs whch means some college students using drugs. Not a big deal.
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Drugs are something that existed, exsist and will exsist as long as there will be meanings to produce them. The current problem i see is that drugs got too much to do with current culture, especialy United States one. Witch - exagerrating "Grew up" on drugs. Elvis Presley, Rock bands, Woodstock and majority of this kind of US "Culture" were just addicted junkeys. (I dont say that all of US culture grew up on it. Altrough Tom & Jerry looks kinda suspicious : | )
What i say - let the drugs and junk that buys it be. Its not AIDS that spreads without ones will. (Altrough death from both, AIDS and drugs. Is a Daaamn nasty one in my opinion. But at least when comparing ya got a hard but a way back from drugs. From aids - not.). Drug dealers are the ones that should be fought, organized crime got a nasty habit that it does not stop only on selling drugs. And cash they get from drugs they invest into more community deadly buisness.
Action like the one posted makes a good impression on comunnity altrough they do not change much, no much sense in sending behind bars students - part of society wich will be the most productive in future and has the least problems with drugs (They dont steal so often to get them, not as some non-students do)
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What i say - let the drugs and junk that buys it be. Its not AIDS that spreads without ones will. (Altrough death from both, AIDS and drugs. Is a Daaamn nasty one in my opinion. But at least when comparing ya got a hard but a way back from drugs. From aids - not.). Drug dealers are the ones that should be fought, organized crime got a nasty habit that it does not stop only on selling drugs. And cash they get from drugs they invest into more community deadly buisness.
Action like the one posted makes a good impression on comunnity altrough they do not change much, no much sense in sending behind bars students - part of society wich will be the most productive in future and has the least problems with drugs (They dont steal so often to get them, not as some non-students do)
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Miecznik wrote: What i say - let the drugs and junk that buys it be. Its not AIDS that spreads without ones will.
Tell that to children born addicted,if they survive.
Tell that to people who were forced into drugs, as a means to control them (like kidnapped women turned into prostitutes).
Tell that to people raised and living in households that are so absorbed in the drug culture, they know no other way to live.
Tell that to the people in the other vehicle, who were just crashed into and possibly killed by some lowlife on drugs .
Tell that to all the people who got aids thru drug use
Action like the one posted makes a good impression on comunnity altrough they do not change much, no much sense in sending behind bars students - part of society wich will be the most productive in future and has the least problems with drugs (They dont steal so often to get them, not as some non-students do)
The myth that poor (low income children) use drugs more than mid to high is just that a myth.The myth that higher "education" equals larger contribution to society is also just that, a myth.However higher "education" does equal higher consumption though.IE The taking of more from a society.Based on SAMHSA's 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 18% of youths age 12 to 17 (4.6 million) lived in families with annual incomes of less than $20,000 per year, 35% (8.8 million) in families with incomes between $20,000 to $49,999, 19% (4.8 million) in families with incomes between $50,000 to $74,999, and 27.6% in families with incomes of $75,000 or more.
As study after study has shown, the amount of crimes a person commits is directly related to the amount of opportunities.
In other words,its rare that a blue collar criminal commits white collar crimes.
BUT its common for white collar criminals to commit blue collar crimes in ADDITION to the white collar crimes they commit.
To add to that,white collar crimes have a much larger "victim ratio" .In other words, the crimes of that Enron scumbag in training in college today will directly impact far more people than the shoplifter.
AND of course the impact on each victim is FAR greater also.
Lastly, the thought that drug use is a crime that is better not bothered with, is a HUGE part of the problem.
And deffinately a part that needs to change.
Wrong thinking allows wrong actions.
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Drugs should be legalized, regulated and taxed.
I know tkobo's arguments well, but similar arguments can be made against gambling, alcohol and prostitution -- all of which should be legalized, regulated and taxed.
We can look to the era of prohibition against alcohol to see what good it does trying to make a "sin" illegal.
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I know tkobo's arguments well, but similar arguments can be made against gambling, alcohol and prostitution -- all of which should be legalized, regulated and taxed.
We can look to the era of prohibition against alcohol to see what good it does trying to make a "sin" illegal.
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