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Eldin wrote:The views presented in your link does not in any way represent Norwegians in general, if you believe otherwise then you are a fool
Tell me am I fool because I ask the Norwegian about the views of Norwegians?
I understand your strong feelings. We were outraged too, a some violence acts ago...
Eldin wrote:n the city where I am from, the total population is 130,000 including the surrounding suburbs. This Monday, 75,000 people gathered in the city center carrying torches and roses to show sympathy with the families of those affected and to show that we are united as a people after this horrible tragedy
You do not have to see the rapid collapse of the country after its nationwide support. We have seen this so we are mistrustful now. I've posted your reply in a some Russian message board. Maybe this will help the understanding.
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Lea wrote: Tell me am I fool because I ask the Norwegian about the views of Norwegians?
I understand your strong feelings. We were outraged too, a some violence acts ago...
My apologies, I did not mean you, I spoke in general. It was not my intent to offend you.
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First question from Russians:
"Have you analyzed what happened? Did you think why he did it and its consequences? E.g. millions in the world have read his manifesto after."
Also people do not trust the figure 75,000 in Aftenbladet...
Eldin wrote:My apologies, I did not mean you, I spoke in general. It was not my intent to offend you.
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I believe that the political party that he sought to destroy will fare even better in the upcoming elections. Personally I think he is an idiot who didn't see that coming. As for the count from Aftenbladet, that is the official count from the police. I don't see why the police or Aftenbladet would want to lie about it. In this link there are more pictures from the event sent in by readers of the newspaper.

http://www.aftenbladet.no/terror/Se-les ... 41546.html
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@Eldin,

My sympathies to Norwegians. Your smaller population size makes something like this even more horrible, almost like it happened to next door neighbors of everyone in the country.

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Eldin wrote:I believe that the political party that he sought to destroy will fare even better in the upcoming elections. Personally I think he is an idiot who didn't see that coming.
How about later? Will not you get tired of tolerance and multiculturalism?
Eldin wrote:As for the count from Aftenbladet, that is the official count from the police. I don't see why the police or Aftenbladet would want to lie about it.
It is a common practice in Russia and some other countries. The state services and the media overstate or understate the number of people for politic purposes. We are much more cynical and atomized than Norwegians.
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Lightbringer wrote:@Eldin,

My sympathies to Norwegians. Your smaller population size makes something like this even more horrible, almost like it happened to next door neighbors of everyone in the country.

-Light
Thank you. You are right in your sentiment, this was an attack that struck us all. I think our reactions reflect this in a large degree.


Lea wrote:
Eldin wrote:I believe that the political party that he sought to destroy will fare even better in the upcoming elections. Personally I think he is an idiot who didn't see that coming.
How about later? Will not you get tired of tolerance and multiculturalism?

There is increased tensions, as within all of Europe due to a large mass of immigrants. The political landscape in most of Norway before the bombing was leaning towards right in terms of immigration, and the opposition has claimed that our policies for integration has failed. Most political parties had an agenda to reduce immigration. Personally I tend to agree. We have simply accepted too many people to properly integrate them into our society and this increases tensions.

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Eldin wrote:As for the count from Aftenbladet, that is the official count from the police. I don't see why the police or Aftenbladet would want to lie about it.
It is a common practice in Russia and some other countries. The state services and the media overstate or understate the number of people for politic purposes. We are much more cynical and atomized than Norwegians.
That is not the case in Norway. There is no political power pulling string through the police in Norway. The police in Norway is very different from the police in Russia in that regard. Corruption, be it political or economical is not commonplace and is struck severely down upon. It's not a part of our culture.
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Political games around Breivik are began: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14315108
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Well, I hope the murderous scumbag doesn't end up here...

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According to Time, prison guards are required to help each inmate make his sentence "as meaningful, enlightening and rehabilitating as possible." About half of the prison guards are women, since research has suggested that a corps of female guards can help reduce aggression among the prison population. The unarmed guards eat meals and play games with prisoners.
The documentary photographer Alex Masi writes that the cells in Halden are equipped "with an en-suite bathroom, a flat-screen TV and various comforts.
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Lightbringer wrote:Well, I hope the murderous scumbag doesn't end up here...

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/acc ... 29040.html
According to Time, prison guards are required to help each inmate make his sentence "as meaningful, enlightening and rehabilitating as possible." About half of the prison guards are women, since research has suggested that a corps of female guards can help reduce aggression among the prison population. The unarmed guards eat meals and play games with prisoners.
The documentary photographer Alex Masi writes that the cells in Halden are equipped "with an en-suite bathroom, a flat-screen TV and various comforts.
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damn, 4 stars hotel :-)
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I hate Scandinavian social state now. If you'll excuse me, ill sign up for libertarians just sheer out of spite and influence scandinavian politics.
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Prisons in Norway vary in their "star rating". Generally though, the thought is not to torture the prisoner but to focus more on making the convict a productive citizen again. I will never condone executions nor will I condone torture, be it physical or psychological.
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Eldin wrote:Prisons in Norway vary in their "star rating". Generally though, the thought is not to torture the prisoner but to focus more on making the convict a productive citizen again. I will never condone executions nor will I condone torture, be it physical or psychological.
Yeah but that is more luxurious than a 5 star hotel room. I also would like to see a healthy prison, yet, as I said...

woah...

I want to commita crime in norway now.
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I dunno, looks pretty lame to me.
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The Khan wrote:
Eldin wrote:Prisons in Norway vary in their "star rating". Generally though, the thought is not to torture the prisoner but to focus more on making the convict a productive citizen again. I will never condone executions nor will I condone torture, be it physical or psychological.
Yeah but that is more luxurious than a 5 star hotel room. I also would like to see a healthy prison, yet, as I said...

woah...

I want to commita crime in norway now.
That would be risky. The police does anything in their power to get foreign prisoners to do time in their own country.
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