USA Elections

[Hullu Hevonen]

US getting into a new expensive war if Rep. Rick Perry becomes president?
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 19577.html

[The Khan]

US getting into a new expensive war if Rep. Rick Perry becomes president?
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 19577.html

not as expensive as the middle eastern oil wars. plus it would put some sense in the mexican drug cartels which I have read that have gone quite crazy

[SoB]

Indeed. And it is not a pointless war. Those criminals are a threat to Americans. Even if the USA just fight it from there side of the border they could starve the cartels. But this is more a para military type of thing not fully on war. Tanks and B52's would be over kill.

[Chesehead]

Yeah. It'd be similar to Afganistan with Spec-ops doing raids at night. Though I think the best solution is simply to call up the NG and start putting more of them on the border.

[Hullu Hevonen]

And bin-laden at gang wasn't a threat? This operation would still eat up atleast a half trillion, just when the hoses and obama "agreed" on resolving the defict, you wana go and waste more money on a even bigger country than Afghanistan and Iraq(more places to hide for the enemy). You'ld have to put ma large number of special forces into Mexico make a difference.

[SoB]

Well it is only the border area. Not the entire Mexico. And osama was weakened with the fall of Afghanistan.

[The Khan]

And bin-laden at gang wasn't a threat? This operation would still eat up atleast a half trillion, just when the hoses and obama "agreed" on resolving the defict, you wana go and waste more money on a even bigger country than Afghanistan and Iraq(more places to hide for the enemy). You'ld have to put ma large number of special forces into Mexico make a difference.

Consider this: trillions of dollars flow out of recorded economy via these drugs. Mexican cartels have now golden guns encrusted with gems.

Annihilating the blood crazed Zetas and claiming their assets would benefit everyone.

Mexican drug cartels are draining the entire american continent to death.

[Hullu Hevonen]

I'm only creating debate . I personally would support a more active by the US in Mexico, but not as nearly as large as In Middle East.

hears a second topic at the same time while this one goes on;
http://occupywallst.org/
Some of you may call these Communists/socialists or hippies etc. I see this movement as an opposite to the Tea Party and it's good to have many different kinds of opinions in a society. Though occupying area's may be a gray zone.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes ... 00365.html

[SoB]

I still do not under stand there demands.

[The Khan]

I still do not under stand there demands.

they hate the corrupt banksters and corporate bailouts. tbh they have a good point. IIRC Federal entitlements aren't as huge as military spendings and corporate bailouts combined.

[SoB]

I under stand there reasons but what do they done want to happen

[warhead]

No, becouse he's simply playing class warfare and raising taxes. Our tax revinue is fine; its just a matter of cutting all the spending we have to deal with.

The figures I've seen show that it is impossible to deal with US debt through spending cuts alone. And really your response is a prime example of the issue facing Americans: What rate of taxation is fair for the various levels of income earns. Some now define it as too high, others too low, and some as just fine...

Good luck deciding that one, everyone has a different opinion.

I don't understand how people think cutting the spending by itself is going to help. We have a real unemployment rate around 16%, not 9%. Corporate profits have been as high as ever recently, where are the jobs???? I agree with the overregulation bull####, but when a company like GE can pay no taxes it's not right. People have to compromise, both parties have two different answers, and both cannot be right. The fact that these people can't compromise at all in congress is extremely disgusting. Michelle Bachmann at one point was one of the favorites for the republican party. LOL

I'm not a liberal by any means, I agreed with the republican party mostly up until recently. Has anybody seen their recent debates? These people are so far to the right they have absolutely NO chance to win a general election. Do the tea party people remember that it was the GOP that got into iraq while cutting taxes. Getting into a war while cutting taxes = higher debt. Bad financial situation and Obama tries to do something and they blame him.

Give me a break. Michelle Bachmann and co were willing to let the U.S. default. Anyone have any idea how the stock market would have reacted? I cannot believe people like her are elected.

[warhead]

I'm a fan of the Ryan plan, restructuring the entitlements, bumping up the retirment age, and then restructuring the goverment, and removing a lot of the buracracy involved with it. I think some estamates put the savings of restructuring the goverment at 1 trillion dollars.

A lot of these republican (not the tea party people) people do have good ideas. Paul Ryan is obviously smart, probably smarter than the entire GOP canditates put together. However, when unemployment is at these levels, you cannot just start cutting everything. I think the GOP is in big trouble in 2012, because they have let these tea party people take over the party.

They all keep quoting Reagan over and over, but he raised taxes and compromised plenty of times. He was a great president, any of the current GOP candidates can't even compare to him. Romney is the only candidate that I think would even have a chance in the election against Obama, and I may vote for him if he does win. However, him trying to cater to the extreme far right really hurts his chances to get elected.

[warhead]

I'm pulling for Herman caine to win the Republican Primary. Rommney is more of a Rhino, and isn't distiguishable from Obama eneough. The republicans need to run a real conservative instead of a wishy washy guy like they did with Maccain. I would also like to see Palin on the ticket as well. Obama has a lot of problems in this election, and he hasn't produced results in his four years of leadership. I don't think they'll be able to effectivly blame bush like they did last time. Also, he hasn't stumped Un-emplyoment. He simply lies about the current months numbers, and then revises them a month or two later, and the media is too stupid here to pick up on that fact.

Frankly, the media will have a huge effect on the election. They will eventually be seen as liars, as back in 06 when we had the boom, they were claiming recessions, and now when were on the edge of a depression, their claiming recovery, etc.

I realize this post is 3 months old, I only started looking in this thread now. Not trying to attack you or anything bringing it up.

Cain's 9/9/9 plan is a regressive tax if you do the numbers. When wealth distribution is where it is now, that isn't going to fly. Blaming Obama on unemployment alone is just stupid. People argue his stimumlus package did nothing? There's no doubt there was a lot of waste, but there is no way of knowing how bad it could have gotten if there wasn't a stimulus.
Everything since the GOP takeover of the house I can't put any blame to Obama. I would not be suprised at all if half of the people there are doing whatever they can do keep unemployment down so a republican has a better chance.

Obama is smart to go out calling out the republicans like he did with Cantor today. Class warfare or not, there are plenty more people that agree with Obama's jobs plan. Corporations right now are sitting on plenty of cash, and could easily hire more people. GE paid $0 in taxes and sends jobs to China. Has anybody noticed Immelt is on Obama's ceo job group?? That is one huge error by Obama. GE is the exact problem right now.

[Hullu Hevonen]

Obama taking matters into his own hands? Could score him some votes in the next elections
http://www.barackobama.com/news/where-t ... act-i-will