USA Elections

[Gracuul]

The economies of the modern day are all intertwined. This is why such effort is made to correct errors and the word bailout exists.

Hypothetical: If the US could not meet its debts, IMO first on the list to go would quickly be china, who holds a majority of our Debt, as well as produces (just a guess) half or more of all non food items. This would just be the start of a chain reaction down hill badly.

Just my guess, reality sometimes plays out differently.

[Chesehead]

The economies of the modern day are all intertwined. This is why such effort is made to correct errors and the word bailout exists.

Hypothetical: If the US could not meet its debts, IMO first on the list to go would quickly be china, who holds a majority of our Debt, as well as produces (just a guess) half or more of all non food items. This would just be the start of a chain reaction down hill badly.

Just my guess, reality sometimes plays out differently.

And China is still dependent on the US for technology and more importantly, food. China has dumped a large amount of our debt and gone over to buy up the Euro..

[Hullu Hevonen]

Some good news for once, there was a larger then expected increase employed, the unemployment rate dropped slightly.
http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/05/good ... om-the-us/

[Chesehead]

Some good news for once, there was a larger then expected increase employed, the unemployment rate dropped slightly.
http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/05/good ... om-the-us/

Check that number in the couple of weeks. It will be revised lower. They've done it for quite some time. They've also done it with GDP numbers.

[CrazyIvan]

Voted Republican solely for Ron Paul. By far the only candidate knowledgeable in economics.

[Lightbringer]

I wasn't angry Hullu. I was simply pointing out the Europroblems that you acknowledged. Yes, I would be very grumpy if I lost my job because a European economic collapse had plunged America and the globe into crisis as well. However, I wasn't denying American political stupidity. I was reminding you that it wasn't a uniquely American trait. Hell, for all we know, the Chinese could go belly up next spring and drag us all down. Or the Muslims could descend into outright conflict across their entire sphere. Or Russia could invade Iran. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I don't have the poll numbers handy, but Congress' approval is at rock bottom levels. I have to remind Conservatives of how this works as well, but our Big Media all seem to somehow assume that this somehow means that every single "disapprove" is directed entirely at Republicans. Not true. I'll use rounded off numbers to explain. 80% disapprove. This means that of the 100 (again imaginary, example number) people surveyed, it is more likely that 20 are idiots, 40 hate Republicans in Congress, and 40 hate Democrats in congress. 40+40=80. I'll do a longer post on this later.

-Light

[fool]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-go ... ing,21113/

[Hullu Hevonen]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-go ... ing,21113/

Why so much hate, how can someone hate a person that much? Sickening.

[fool]

[Hullu Hevonen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14515375

[Lightbringer]

Full text of his announcement speech... If anyone wants to get a feel for him.

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/ ... nt-speech/

a sample...

"You see, as Americans we’re not defined by class, and we will never be told our place. What makes our nation exceptional is that anyone, from any background, can climb the highest of heights. As Americans, we don’t see the role of government as guaranteeing outcomes, but allowing free men and women to flourish based on their own vision, their hard work and their personal responsibility. And as Americans, we realize there is no taxpayer money that wasn’t first earned by the sweat and toil of one of our citizens.

That’s why we reject this President’s unbridled fixation on taking more money out of the wallets and pocketbooks of American families and employers and giving it to a central government. “Spreading the wealth” punishes success while setting America on course to greater dependency on government. Washington’s insatiable desire to spend our children’s inheritance on failed “stimulus” plans and other misguided economic theories have given us record debt and left us with far too many unemployed." -Rick Perry

-Light

[CrazyIvan]

Jon Stewart even likes Paul.

[Lightbringer]

If John Stewart likes him... that isn't a "feature". That's a Bug.

-Light

[Hullu Hevonen]

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http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/ ... nt-speech/
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uhh... got around to read it, first thing that comes to mind after reading it; "Nyt tuli ISO Jytky!" - Timo Soini on the election thay after the results came in. the translation of the saying translates directly to roughly "Now came large/big sudden thing/surprising/big event/News !", but a more accurate meaning of the saying would be "What a huge shocker!" or "That was a huge suprise!" or similar. Why this came to mind was because of the striking similarities(political) to the person who invented the saying. Implying to Perry's nationalistic views. Personally I'm not a Nationalist, though I agree to some points they have, but they are often more radical then mine.

I don't really think "that the United States of America really is the last great hope of mankind", I think no one is, and is mankind under threat?. I disagree with his views "that anyone, from any background, can climb the highest of heights". His strong brining up of topics of the US military really gave me worries of a new war president(if he assumes the throne), yes the US military is very strong. Also when he talks about soliders willingness to sacrifice, make it sound in my ears similar to some islam exremists. I thought his criticize of Obama et al was more "crap throwing" than actual fact, I got the image of he discreetly thinking of Obama as an evil scum, and not really motivating why, sure he gave examples like "Our president has insulted our friends and he’s encouraged our enemies(Didn't he kill osama? or was it all republicans that did that?), thumbing his nose at traditional allies like Israel(huh? haven't heard a pip from Israel)", but thats not really an motivation. He does also often mention god, the lord etc, ok, this is not a bad thing but I personally think it's bad mixing religion with politics.

basically I would not vote for the guy, atleast based on what this link says

[aenri]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/ ... ick-perry/

http://www.theawl.com/2011/08/what-i-le ... -tea-party