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#271 Post by SoB » Mar 29 2013

tkobo wrote:saw that...unfortunate.

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In egypt, islamists continue to grab power hand over fist.
Now arresting the protest leaders,who having protested against mubarak and removed him,are now protesting against the brotherhood in hopes of removing them from power.And low and behold,the brotherhood now decides "new" laws are needed to "regulate" protests :lol:

And those islamists on the brotherhoods side,who seized a local mosque by force, and then used it to hold and "question" opposition protesters the islamists decided to take prisoner....not a word on any arrests there..... :lol:

and those pesky "journalists" who "insult" the brotherhood and/or the gov,yup,the new dictators are throwing them into jail faster then mubarak ever did. :lol:


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#272 Post by SoB » Mar 31 2013

The write up of the battel btween the SANDF and the rebels in CAR

http://m.iol.co.za/article/view/e/1.1493841


They made the rebels pay for every drop of Soutj african blood.
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#273 Post by tkobo » Jun 05 2013

^ decent write up...
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#274 Post by number47 » Jul 03 2013

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#275 Post by Niko465 » Jul 03 2013

number47 wrote:"Something" is about to hit the fan in Egypt very soon... :-(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... morsi-coup

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/03-1
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#276 Post by SoB » Jul 07 2013

tkobo wrote:^ decent write up...
well there is the book (about 40 padges) that goes in to far greater detail. Same author just extra detail and a 2.99USD charge


http://mampoer.co.za/helmoed-heitman/th ... -in-bangui

and on egypt

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?o ... Itemid=114
Some 200,000 people died in a decade of civil war in Algeria after uniformed officers rejected a popular vote for Islamists, an example some in Cairo darkly cite after the army ousted Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood president on Wednesday.

While Algeria's Islamists were never allowed to govern, Egypt's Mohamed Mursi ran the country for a year, and a widespread sense that he was author of his own misfortunes may deter some who might have taken up arms in his cause.

But his removal could still split Islamist groups that have entered Egyptian politics since a 2011 uprising toppled Hosni Mubarak, an autocrat who repressed them for decades, Reuters reports.

Egyptian Islamists such as the Brotherhood and their erstwhile ultraconservative allies risk losing those followers, especially among the young, who conclude Egypt's democratic experiment has failed and peaceful politics will get them nowhere.

Mursi's National Security Adviser Essam El-Haddad wrote in a valedictory Facebook post, "The message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims."

As authorities rounded up some of the Brotherhood's most prominent figures, one of its senior members, Mohamed El-Beltagy, laid bare the dangers at a pro-Mursi sit-in outside a Cairo mosque on Thursday.

"The issue now is the position of the free world that is pushing the country to a state of chaos and pushing groups other than the Brotherhood to return to the idea of change by force."

The rhetoric has heated up since the army first said it might intervene after millions of protesters flooded the streets to demand Mursi's resignation.

"You've made new mujahideen, new people who will seek martyrdom. Know that if one out of every 10 of those here blows himself up, you are the reason," said one man, referring to army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, in a YouTube video purportedly taken at a large pro-Mursi rally in Cairo this week.

Hours before the army removed Mursi, Mohamed Nufil, a 44-year-old government employee at the same rally, said he was certain the president's supporters would turn to violence if the army aborted what they saw as a legitimate democratic process.

"If there is a coup, Egypt will have two options: It will become like Syria, or it will become like Algeria in the '90s. That is the alternative. It will happen," he said.

Most Mursi supporters see the military intervention as a coup, while Egyptian authorities say they were merely responding to the demands of the Egyptian people.

VIOLENT PRECEDENTS

Egypt has been a crucible of militant Islamist movements for decades, and its government a regular focus of their ire.

The three main presidents that have served since 1952, when a coup installed military-backed rule, have all accused Islamists of trying to kill them. In the case of Anwar Sadat, who made peace with Israel, they succeeded.

In the 1990s, Islamist insurgents waged a bloody campaign against security forces in southern Egypt.

Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya, which carried out some of the most deadly attacks, eventually renounced violence and formed a political party after Mubarak was toppled.

But some Gamaa members have said publicly that they would take up arms again to defend Mursi, a threat the group's leaders are now trying to play down, and which is controversial among the Islamist rank and file.

"If the army dares to kill democracy in Egypt, we will fight them," Mohamed al-Amin, a 40-year-old Gamaa member, said hours ahead of the army decree, gesturing to the thousands of supporters who had gathered at the pro-Mursi rally in Cairo.

Sobhy Youssef, 45, a Brotherhood supporter sitting nearby, interrupted him: "No, no, my brother," he said. "We are not taking up weapons. What we are taking up is our patience and our faith in God."

Khalil al-Anani, an expert on political Islam at Britain's Durham University, said the risk of low-level violence in Egypt was significant, especially in the Sinai Peninsula, which has descended into lawlessness since Mubarak was ousted.

But groups like Gamaa had been chastened by the disastrous results of their insurgency in the 90s.

"Islamists know very well that violence is not the solution," Anani said.

Still, the army's ouster of Mursi may help militant groups like al Qaeda advance their argument that democracy is not the way forward, he added.

"Now, they would say, 'Look, this is the democracy that you were fighting for'."

A DANGEROUS PHASE

The potency of that argument will depend on how the military handles the transition and how well Islamists that have signed up to its "road map" are able to hold their ranks together.

The ultraconservative Nour Party, Egypt's second-biggest Islamist political movement after the Brotherhood, has endorsed the army plan. Like Gamaa Islamiya, it has urged its followers to refrain from violence.

"Before anyone decides to sacrifice themselves for the sake of President Mursi's position, they must think that perhaps they will end up losing both things," the group said in a statement on Thursday.

But engaging with the military plan could also alienate members.

Yassir al-Sirri, a former militant who lives in London where he runs an Islamic media and rights group, said the army's "coup" against Mursi had pushed Egypt into a dangerous phase.

"Now people do not have faith in peaceful action, and they do not believe change can come through a peaceful route. This is the problem," he said.

Egypt had the chance to bring young Islamists into a formal political framework, working in public, but this was now at risk, he said.

"Unless the situation is corrected as soon as possible, we are going backwards again."
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#277 Post by tkobo » Aug 06 2013

Its very funny how current events in the "arab spring" region, resemble past history.....
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#278 Post by tkobo » Sep 03 2013

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... spy-camera

If egypt didnt have enough problems....now they have to contend with clever french swans,disguised as storks,spying on them...or so they think :lol:

Reminds me of the infamous spy cell of british squirrels iran arrested a few years ago :lol:
Iranian intelligence operatives recently detained over a dozen squirrels found within the nation's borders, claiming the rodents were serving as spies for Western powers determined to undermine the Islamic Republic.
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#279 Post by SoB » Sep 04 2013

Did they smell a rat ???
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#280 Post by number47 » Dec 06 2013

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ANGOLA buying an AIRCRAFT CARRIER :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/86c03ec9b21a

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#281 Post by Hullu Hevonen » Dec 06 2013

Maybe they plan to expand and feel threathened by the west? :lol:
On a more serious note, they will most likely use it for domestic purposes, such as museum, show off peace to domestic audiance or scrap it. It could also be that they just wanted to go inspect the ship.
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#282 Post by Chesehead » Dec 08 2013

Hullu Hevonen wrote:Maybe they plan to expand and feel threathened by the west? :lol:
On a more serious note, they will most likely use it for domestic purposes, such as museum, show off peace to domestic audiance or scrap it. It could also be that they just wanted to go inspect the ship.
Or go ahead and then re-sell it to some other country, such as China....

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#283 Post by number47 » Dec 09 2013

Chesehead wrote:Or go ahead and then re-sell it to some other country, such as China....
My thought exactly, maybe to just make China study/examine it if not buy it...
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#284 Post by tkobo » Feb 05 2014

...you just cant make this stuff up.....

Egypt's military ruler,plans on running for president ..... :lol: Did you know theres an island in egypt famous for growing bananas :lol:
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#285 Post by tkobo » Mar 04 2014

Egypt outlaws hamas :lol:

..and lets not forget the laughs turkey gives the world ...Seems theyve caught Erd yet again, red handed taking on the phone about kickbacks and hiding the money.As well,Turkey's Ministry of EU Affairs has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar...
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