Wikileaks: There is no good side.

[The Khan]

I started this because I didnt remember we discussed wikileaks and the leaks were...interesting.

I was not referring to discussing "wikileaks". I was talking about the fact that we have discussed the events in Iraq backwards and forwards, up and down, left and right, good and bad, etc. etc. etc. I am, like you, pressed for time, so more later. However, I agree in principle that if the current Iraqis turn out to be as nasty as Saddam's bully boys, then the whole thing was for naught.

I'll also address the Amnasty International question very soon. Tonight however I must cut it short.

-Light

Hmm... Perhaps I took the wrong quotation to start.

I should ask: the emergence of wikileaks and its timing, does someone suspect something?

[dust off]

Well, i get tired of amnesty always vining about people breaking the law ending up in jail.

I agree to a certain degree of 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do.' But at least since then the laws has been abused by the powerful. I'm going to look at AI more critically at the weekend.

[Hullu Hevonen]

Amnesty overall is vine about 'every' thing, though I agree some things should be brought to the spotlights and changes be made, like the mentioned tortures, and they should vine about certain things in Iraq, like the "unjustified" killing. I meet a amnesty money collector once who collected money for freeing some anti-drug person in Mexico, though the thought was good, but the person in question was of 'minor importance'.
In Finland is no "such powerful" Amnesty, eg. Amnesty keep wining about we throwing people in jail because they don't want to take civil service or military service. I think the law is quite clear, you got 3 options, 1. Military service(most chooses this), 2. Civil Service(work for free, get your rent paid for free etc.. maybe 20% choses this) or 3. be an idiot, go to jail(well, the law says your going to jail if you don't choose option 1 or 2). most people who choose opt3 want in someway to resist the 'military' etc. and therefor have a small professional military(many don't count the fact that we are a "border land of EU/West", they rely of the 'fact' that eg. Russia will never attack Finland).

[The Khan]

Amnesty overall is vine about 'every' thing, though I agree some things should be brought to the spotlights and changes be made, like the mentioned tortures, and they should vine about certain things in Iraq, like the "unjustified" killing. I meet a amnesty money collector once who collected money for freeing some anti-drug person in Mexico, though the thought was good, but the person in question was of 'minor importance'.
In Finland is no "such powerful" Amnesty, eg. Amnesty keep wining about we throwing people in jail because they don't want to take civil service or military service. I think the law is quite clear, you got 3 options, 1. Military service(most chooses this), 2. Civil Service(work for free, get your rent paid for free etc.. maybe 20% choses this) or 3. be an idiot, go to jail(well, the law says your going to jail if you don't choose option 1 or 2). most people who choose opt3 want in someway to resist the 'military' etc. and therefor have a small professional military(many don't count the fact that we are a "border land of EU/West", they rely of the 'fact' that eg. Russia will never attack Finland).

Your people are very spoiled. If we had Option 2, the entire country would beg for it. Civil service is great!

Humanity should aspire higher every day, and improve itself but not like this, ask for better conditions even though Finland is a paradise compared to the world.

[Hullu Hevonen]

Khan: Thats what I mean, there is the civil service option!

[dust off]

Amnesty overall is vine about 'every' thing, though I agree some things should be brought to the spotlights and changes be made, like the mentioned tortures, and they should vine about certain things in Iraq, like the "unjustified" killing. I meet a amnesty money collector once who collected money for freeing some anti-drug person in Mexico, though the thought was good, but the person in question was of 'minor importance'.
In Finland is no "such powerful" Amnesty, eg. Amnesty keep wining about we throwing people in jail because they don't want to take civil service or military service. I think the law is quite clear, you got 3 options, 1. Military service(most chooses this), 2. Civil Service(work for free, get your rent paid for free etc.. maybe 20% choses this) or 3. be an idiot, go to jail(well, the law says your going to jail if you don't choose option 1 or 2). most people who choose opt3 want in someway to resist the 'military' etc. and therefor have a small professional military(many don't count the fact that we are a "border land of EU/West", they rely of the 'fact' that eg. Russia will never attack Finland).

Well I'd be with you on that one. Not an issue AI should be moaning about. Same old story: a good idea taken to extreme becomes toxic.

[fool]

I'd also be complaining about that one tbh. I tend to have issues with forcing people to work for the government, which is what it comes down to.

[SGTscuba]

I'd also be complaining about that one tbh. I tend to have issues with forcing people to work for the government, which is what it comes down to.

it just depends on how many private sector jobs there are?

if there aren't that many then its a good idea, it stops chavs from evolving due to laziness (like in the UK)

[Lightbringer]

Hmm... Perhaps I took the wrong quotation to start.

I should ask: the emergence of wikileaks and its timing, does someone suspect something?

Well it IS right before an election. The Dems are not above trying to "remind" the public that Republicans are evil war mongers who torture and kill little babies for breakfast. Just as they are not above turning a suspicious package into a second 9/11 that they averted through their super alert tough anti terror abilities. You have to remember that they are working with a stacked media deck. If they want something downplayed, it is downplayed. If they want something blown out of proportion, it is blown.

-Light

[Hullu Hevonen]

I'd also be complaining about that one tbh. I tend to have issues with forcing people to work for the government, which is what it comes down to.

I don't see it that way, I work for the taxpayers and a democratic society, not the gov, you can go to jail, but I ain't going.

[The Khan]

I'd also be complaining about that one tbh. I tend to have issues with forcing people to work for the government, which is what it comes down to.

Think of it as a different tax when you get some work experience for the good of the people, and get paid by your own taxes. Considering most taxes end up far away from me, I'd love it.

[The Khan]

I insist that Wikileaks is a good thing to exist, especially after readin additional leaks. I especially laughed when that crusty hag Hillary named the release as reckless, and said "this hurts the relations which Obama spent effort on"

O rly?

It only releases information, and if truth hurts, its called tough luck.

Also as it endangers lives, LOL.

Lightbringer may say :

Well it IS right before an election. The Dems are not above trying to "remind" the public that Republicans are evil war mongers who torture and kill little babies for breakfast.

I dont think its a Democrat puppet. The release just showed a sheep herd of populace that how much of a snake pit the diplomatic arena is. And free flow of information simply cannot hurt. Not to mention it also uncovered the secret wealth Erdogan stashed and his weaknesses.

I think these leaks are a nice nutcracker kick to those who live by lies and build diplomacy through a dagger in the back hand.

Not to mention that in a world where all information can be uncovered once, this will encourage all leaders and power holders to act a bit, if a little bit, more ethical.

Beware of he, who would deny access to information; for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

[fool]

Oh, come on. That's off alpha centauri >_>

[The Khan]

Admit it, its a good quote

[Lightbringer]

Be careful Khan... Wikileaks might reveal that you still wet your bed and wear Care Bear Underoos. Seriously though, a large portion of this stuff was merely embarrassing. One Diplomat sending a note to another, "Boy that guy is sure a smelly idiot!". Now the smelly idiot gets to read the note. Would you be happy if every word you said about anyone was instantly repeated to them? Also, you seem to be in favor of 100% pure honesty diplomacy. This info dump does not promote that. It promotes burying dishonesty even more deeply, even if it is trivial dishonesty like calling someone smelly behind their backs.

-Light