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For those who dont know,cuba's employment is about 80% government jobs.Population about 11 million.Circa has a little less than 1 million have semi-independent or independent jobs.(IE non-fully gov jobs).About 5 to 6 million currently make up the work force.

The 1 million lay off of gov workers is about 17%-22% of the cuban work force,depending on who you read.There is no accurate official unemployment rate (officially they claim 1.7 % :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ),but its surmised to be at about 20% ,with some saying its much higher.


fidel had this to say recently
"Without people feeling the need to work to make a living, sheltered by state regulations that are excessively paternalistic and irrational, we will never stimulate a love for work,"
Imagine that...."free lunch" encourages people NOT to work, and even fidel finally has to admit it.
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@Hullu
Lightbringer wrote:...as far from enslaved as possible...
Socialism is like a dandelion or a kudzu vine. Sure it might have a pretty flower every once in awhile, but if you don't severely cut it back every now and then, it takes over the yard or the stand of trees.

If you like depending on Big Brother to feed and clothe you and wipe your arse, and tuck you in at night, that is good for you. However, some people manage to live their lives without being dependent on government handouts.

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Lightbringer wrote:@Hullu
Lightbringer wrote:...as far from enslaved as possible...
Socialism is like a dandelion or a kudzu vine. Sure it might have a pretty flower every once in awhile, but if you don't severely cut it back every now and then, it takes over the yard or the stand of trees.

If you like depending on Big Brother to feed and clothe you and wipe your arse, and tuck you in at night, that is good for you. However, some people manage to live their lives without being dependent on government handouts.

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Well, I would say you are incorrect, I would argue that American Liberty/Capitalism and Sovjet & Chinese are both are good and bad. I think the best options is a own mix of both systems + someother. I think Cuba has gone too much communist and should implement some reforms, in the early days, the Cuban people was poor and communism offered them a better more wealth and some free services(which richer people could only afford). The problem was then that communism did not allow Cuba to grow properly, due to the state control. USA economy again has good opportunities to grow, but from what I heard you lack the freedom for proper free health care and I've heard that your insurances is high I read somewhere the number "As low as $183 a year", Ok maybe this might be a special case, but I pay a lot less for the equivalent! Overall, I think Cuba needs to lift restrictions on agriculture and industry, + take steps towards Democracy. The Communism has held Cuba back too long and changes need to be done.
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"All warfare is based on deception...
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."

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"the denationalization of beauty parlors and barber shops, if they have no more than three chairs," ........ "With four or more, they remain government enterprises."
I guess no barbershop barons will rise in cuba to challenge the castro brothers position in the wealth charts.We wouldnt want ole fidel to fall too far on (or even off) the forbes worlds richest people charts (fidel est at $900mil in 2006)

And for all those unemployed cubans ?Well,the current us administration has added circa 200,000 new government jobs in the last circa 2 years...perhaps in another circa 2 we'll have enough new us gov job openings to hire the cubans,either by way of outsourching or as new us immigrants :lol:
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cuba is now allowing house and car sales.....the problems are many because "ownership' was frowned on and very controlled for decades....

Hence,the ownership of the cars ,houses,and properties now allowed to be sold,is anything but straight forward.
The population sold and traded cars and property illegally for decades,and the only record of the ownership of those is the original government files.
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
Hullu Hevonen wrote:why are you all americans so afraid of socialism?
"Afraid"? Not exactly. We just like to be as close to free, and as far from enslaved by the State as possible. You know, that whole King George III thing. Kinda sorta like how Finns keep refusing to be ruled by Russia or Sweden. Why are Finns so Afraid of Swedes and Russians? :wink:

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Too much freedom is no freedom, no freedom is no freedom. You know, a little socialism is not that bad, here we have free health care, low insurances compared to yours(I pay 45-85 €/y in insurances, not that much in my opinion), But then again we have comparably higher taxes then others(everyone has personal taxation, the poor pay less tax and the rich pay higher tax). So we have socialism in Finland, but we do also have freedom and capitalism, we still have free markets etc... So in my opinion, a little "socialism" would be good, especially in the healthcare/insurance sectors. Also why would socialism make you "slaves" to the state? Let me ask you something, what would happine if your wife/husband/mother/father/you one day where hit by a truck while on your way to work and the insurance company refused you(lets say for the sake of argument, that you where responsible)? how much would it cost? I saw a documentary ones where a woman had to pay hundreds of dollars for her medication, but then she went to cuba and bought the same meds for a few cents... it was a well known documentary maker, cant right now remember his name...

Afraid of the Swedes? noo... they have a slightly stronger economy then us, they are no threat to be afraid of. Russia, I think that the finns are both angered and afraid of the Russian because of there size and past/current actions.
Read about negative and positive rights. Positive rights like a right to insurance or some other service is not freedom as it demands it to be taken from another. Negative rights require others to abstain from interfering
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:lol: castro releases 1000 page "life story",now those readers of mein kampf,the green book,and Juche can add another work of insanity to their reading lists :lol:
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Is Cuba really that bad? The old Guard of Cuba is soon going to start dying off and they are modernizing. The Cuban gov has genuine support in their country, plus those who did not like Cuba migrated to the US instead of fighting the Cuban regime.
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:Is Cuba really that bad? The old Guard of Cuba is soon going to start dying off and they are modernizing. The Cuban gov has genuine support in their country, plus those who did not like Cuba migrated to the US instead of fighting the Cuban regime.
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pork a primary staple,possible THE primary staple has suffered a huge production setback.Word is the proudctin has failed so badly its led to a circa 70% drop in availability.reports are some stores havent had any pork for sale since december of last year,and the gov itslef has recently admitted that only about 1/10th the amount of pork is available compared to last year.

Cuba was already importing circa 76% of the food consumed in the nation before this.

I havent seen any info on the price,but you can sure its going thru the roof.
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Well, atleast their modernizing, hopefully thing are going to get better. Btw, Cuba's agricultural administration has improved in the way that, people now has significantly more freedom to produce what they like and they also gain more profit them selves, Cuba has as well started a process to start renting farmland to farmers.

Joke: Maybe people have been so used to the Gov telling people what they can't and can produce and in what quantities that they now think, "hey, I can make something called profit, lets sell lots of pork!" then they sell too much and they go "whoops... pigs don't reproduce like bunnies after all...", maybe they should be educated? :lol:
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cuban state "news" service sums up the issue
“the meager volumes, the unequal deliveries and the lack of an opportune coordination” pointing at the agriculture ministry.This is basically what cuban farmers have said for about a decade now.

The cuban state goes on to say that "100 of the most inefficient government farms will be closed.",as state run cuban farms are notoriously inefficient.As a perfect example,cuba had a bumper crop of tomatoes last year,but much of them rotted because government trucks failed to arrive on time.

And of course anyone even remotely following things remembers the huge amount of food found rotting in government warehouses .

Other meats,bread and milk are also becoming scare.The state still runs everything BUT the few farms allowed to go semi-private.Tools,land allocation,fertilizer,sales contracts,state store,state restaurants,processing,etc...ALL still under state control.As farmers have said,"the shortage is of pork,not pigs".
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