Turkey is calling for a jihad against Israel

[LebaneseLion]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... l-flotilla

Any comments Khan?

[fool]

Damn lefty jew-hating bias

amounts to calls for a jihad against Israel.

Also, presuming this isn't just hype: nice secular state, bro.

[tkobo]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 96,00.html

Turkey and hamas have been in bed for years now.A nation who raised its population on hate and ignorance, and a terrorist hate group,was there really any question ....

On the positive side, there will be some small amount of turks who are NOT scared little girls trying to run away or stick their head in the sand,or hate filled fools who happily embrace this insanity.And they will stand against hamas and islamist influence, and hamas and the islamists will do what they almost always do when confronted by differing opion,and turkey will slip even further into the violent failed state it is.

In the end, turkey will do more harm to itself than others, and provide the world with yet another example of failure, to be ridiculed for what it is.

[LebaneseLion]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 96,00.html

Turkey and hamas have been in bed for years now.A nation who raised its population on hate and ignorance, and a terrorist hate group,was there really any question ....

On the positive side, there will be some small amount of turks who are NOT scared little girls trying to run away or stick their head in the sand,or hate filled fools who happily embrace this insanity.And they will stand against hamas and islamist influence, and hamas and the islamists will do what they almost always do when confronted by differing opion,and turkey will slip even further into the violent failed state it is.

In the end, turkey will do more harm to itself than others, and provide the world with yet another example of failure, to be ridiculed for what it is.

Do you think there will be any big clash between the Army and the Government? Considering a while ago the Government accused some army officers and generals of a coup'detat

[The Khan]

Joshua Teitelbaum is a historian of the modern Middle East. He is a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a senior fellow at the Moshe Dayan Centre for Middle Eastern and African Studies at Tel Aviv University.

amounts to jihad

Oy Vey!

As for the dog barking in a quote about Turkey being pro-HAMAS, I can only half heartedly throw a stone its way.

Israel whines and whines and talks whenever it's the secularism in Turkey.

They say we are blood brothers. Mostly true, most of the Jewish population of today is of Khazar heritage, with Edomites and other semitical heritage is not the majority.

The Grey Wolves have had, and still have a ruling group consisting members of partly JEWISH heritage (Musa'nın Bozkurtları, "Moses' Grey Wolves", is a must-read book).

OK. We are brothers, right? They once gave the pro-Turkish leverage in US concerning the Armenian deportation in 1915 and the consequent death toll. Not anymore.

Then their support in our war against Kurdish terror also waned, I even read an Israeli general saying Turks mercilessly oppress Kurds. This is a critical point.

We are talking about an ethnic group who decided to side with feudal land owners even when the state offered education,new jobs and eventual uplifting of the poor Kurdish peasantry, and even the Kurdish peasants refused, saying "the Aghas are permanent, your State is transient". That discussion was documented, and afterwards the state decided to enforce its uplifting policy more heavy handed, and when the feudal Kurds decided to rebel, the Dersim Rebellion and the brutal repression afterwards followed.

After 1980, when the next generation of Kurds managed to pool enough to amount to a terror organisation, and the war started, Israel OPENLY armed and TRAINED the Peshmerga, the group which openly mingled with PKK.

Israel's greatest ally in Turkey was the Kemalist secular group, the ruling elite. Israel watched in apathy as this group was consumed by Islamists, and decided to back up Kurds in our war against terror. They betrayed us many times over, only to be one step ahead of their Arab neighbors, disregarding the anti-arab Kurds would also hurt us.

Now they can only wring their hands,whine and cry like the landless Jews of the pre-Israel. The cowardice and hypocrisy is strong with them. Who says stereotypes don't have a kernel of truth?

The people whom we openly helped MANY times escape from *****, when our Diplomats in Germany exploited every last of their rights as diplomats to smuggle as many jews as possible to Turkey from the advancing *****, we get paid back like this.

A state with unequal military treaties (there's recent outrage as Turkey just "modernized", made Israel slap together some electronics on crappy M60 Patton tanks for 4 Mil$ per tank), rough and abusive towards Turkey since it was founded.

Kemalism V.2.0 my ass, if it happens, (hopefully), I hope the new surge of Kemalism ALSO distances itself from a mentally unbalanced and hypocritical Israel.

Israel, since its last founding, exploited Turkey in every possible way. It's not a surprise that we are full of it and slap back. Even the last secular PM Bülent Ecevit was fed up with it, a secular and extremely educated, good man, criticized Israel.

Israel never had a fondness for us in the first place. I am that sure of it.

Can anyone forward all this message to tkobo? Force him to read if he can.

[Lea]

Our mass-media write that Turks try to look more Islamic than Iran.

[The Khan]

Our mass-media write that Turks try to look more Islamic than Iran.

Hmm...Can't say it's wrong. The Police is under Islamist control and has had non-violent clashes between military and a recent bill allows them to arm themselves with the same degree that of the army...

[Rhyus]

That doesn't sound good

[tkobo]

Do you think there will be any big clash between the Army and the Government? Considering a while ago the Government accused some army officers and generals of a coup'detat

Not likely,at least anytime soon.The islamists have kept a pretty strong political campaign against the military going, and its been very successful in turning the idealistic and stupid against the military.Right now they have the military very much on the defensive.

And on top of that, the military has to take into account just how close the next general elections are, and that Erdogan has said he wont run after this, and his party lost a small amount of ground in the last election.They also have to keep in mind how successful theyve been at the political level of having islamist parties shutdown. Erdogan himself was a member of one of those islamist parties (welfare party)the turkish courts disbanded, and its only by lying about the intent of the AK Party escaped the same fate in 2008.So even its supporters could easily be convinced that the military "jumped the gun" should they decide to act anytime soon.

So even though Erdogan is credited with statements like this

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...."

from a poem he wrote while fighting against the welfare parties banning,he can still be seen by those who choose to, as a "temporary" threat son to be lessened.

So again,no.Its very unlikely the military will act soon.And if/when they finally get around to, they will find a large portion of turkey will be against them.As the islamists have been hard at work.And why hamas (and groups like it) has been able to hold open rallies and recruitment drives in turkey .

[The Khan]

That doesn't sound good

Tell this to the Western Powers who abandoned the secular Kemalist elite, after discarding them as a temporary, disposable Cold War ally.

Unless our side gets support in any way possible, we will fall to these Islamists. We have been treated as dogs, and while our men fought and died in Korea, we only gained a brief recognition and a half-hearted inductance into NATO.

Even when we'd accept every last of EU and US demands in civilian military and economical terms, I am pretty sure we are recognized as alien.

[Rhyus]

I bet they would be supporting you if there was oil involved

[The Khan]

I bet they would be supporting you if there was oil involved

There is, but not too much and not too good. Supreme Ruler 2010's reserves are exaggarated.

[Rhyus]

Well if there was alot of oil you would have all the support you need.

[Lightbringer]

Say Khan... Can I ask you a question? Why do you need Jewish help to liquidate the Kurdish problem? Why do you need Israel to create something tougher than an M-60? Why do you need America for this ...and Europe for that? How is every single problem, including the rise of Islamism, in your country Our Fault? Don't give me that "poor little victim of racist imperialism" crap. Turkey was never colonized and in fact did plenty of imperializing herself. You know, when a marathon runner trips over his untied shoe laces, falls and can't get back up to finish the race, it isn't the fault of the other runners. You yourself described a secular exodus running scared from the Islamicists. Would you consider yourself to be a proud nation if Israel had to land a couple of tank divisions and kill all those mean old meanies for you? How about if the Americans landed two army groups and occupied your country for 20 years? If you are unwilling to solve your own problems, you just look even weaker when you start blaming them on other people. How would you react if I started whining that America's drift into Euro-socialism was all the fault of the Chileans and the Burmese?

I am not trying to shame you or to demean you. I am trying to make you aware of your habit of blaming the "West" for everything wrong in Turkey, and the 3rd World in general. I am trying to teach you that wasting your time angrily blaming others does nothing to solve the problems or change the F-ed up situations. You do not have to grab a stick and attack some Muslim nutjob. I complain about lefties... but I VOTE. I learn. I teach others when I can. When I have a choice, (like avoiding "Cash for Clunkers" and various other taxpayer funded bribes) I refuse to participate in bankrupting my own country. I am sure that a smart fellow like yourself can figure out some more effective ways to push back against fundamentalism in Turkey than blaming Americans and Europeans.

Now is the time for Turkish self determination. If y'all just hide and let the thugs take over, then my Grandson will be over there in 20 years kicking your son's ass in "Operation Turkish Freedom".

-Light

[tkobo]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9GICUUG0

Furious over Internet insults of the country's beloved founder, Turkey has gone on the offensive against Google, tightening a ban on YouTube and cutting public access to a host of Google-owned sites.

Websites deemed to be disrespectful of Turkey's founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and of religious beliefs were also outlawed.

The march into "stanhood" continues.....they are gonna have an issue with picking their new name though, as turkistan is already taken Perhaps littleiranistan ?