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Argentinian And United Kindgom Diplomatic Freindship Waines

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Hey guys.

Im just wondering what your thoughs and views of this new "Oil based" oceanic passage senario. Im from the UK, and my views is that, I believe the Falklanders are quite within their rights to stay part of Britain. We have 1000 troops stationed there ever since the 1980's skrimish so whilst not a huge contingent of forces reside there, there are more than was there in the 1980's.
I think the Argentinian government's plans of owning that huge amount of sea is completely unreasonable, due to the fact that British islands and waters are caught inside that area.
BBC News wrote:
Argentina has said any boat sailing between it and the Falkland Islands will now need a government permit, increasing a row over oil exploration.

The UK Foreign Office has rejected the move and said thatthe Falkland Islands' waters were controlled by its authorities and would not be affected.
Here is a linky to the BBC news report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8519334.stm

Thoughts and opinions please!
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VERY unlikely you'll see falklands II.But even if you did, Argentina would soundly lose again.And this time the U.K. navy would not be likely to make the costly mistakes it made last time.

As for the "sea control zone",its just about all talk.Argentina simply cant enforce it against any real measure of active UK
opposition.
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Ragu wrote:Hey guys.

Im just wondering what your thoughs and views of this new "Oil based" oceanic passage senario. Im from the UK, and my views is that, I believe the Falklanders are quite within their rights to stay part of Britain. We have 1000 troops stationed there ever since the 1980's skrimish so whilst not a huge contingent of forces reside there, there are more than was there in the 1980's.
I think the Argentinian government's plans of owning that huge amount of sea is completely unreasonable, due to the fact that British islands and waters are caught inside that area.
BBC News wrote:
Argentina has said any boat sailing between it and the Falkland Islands will now need a government permit, increasing a row over oil exploration.

The UK Foreign Office has rejected the move and said thatthe Falkland Islands' waters were controlled by its authorities and would not be affected.
Here is a linky to the BBC news report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8519334.stm

Thoughts and opinions please!

personally i think that the Falklands shouldn't stay under british control ,it was a land owned by Argentina & it is their right & just because Argentina is too weak to take it by force doesn't make it OK & if you are going to say that the population in there want to be british ,then i will tell you let them move to london or any other british controlled land ,but this part was historically argentinnan ,& that is what it should be


&about the water controlled area ,i think that this is a diplomatic move by Argentina to try & revive the Falkland issue
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sa_3_d911 wrote:if you are going to say that the population in there want to be british ,then i will tell you let them move to london or any other british controlled land ,but this part was historically argentinnan ,& that is what it should be
61.3% are Native Falklanders
29% are British
2.6% are Spaniard
0.6% are Japanese
6.5% are Chilian/Other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

So that fact that even though the population want to stay British, you would have them become Argentinian subjects against their will? Even though they dont want to be? Thats like giving a prison sentance to people that dont deserve it. The Falklands havent been Argentinian since 1833.
tkobo wrote:VERY unlikely you'll see falklands II.But even if you did, Argentina would soundly lose again.And this time the U.K. navy would not be likely to make the costly mistakes it made last time.
Actually this was pretty much my train of thought.
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Ragu wrote:
sa_3_d911 wrote:if you are going to say that the population in there want to be british ,then i will tell you let them move to london or any other british controlled land ,but this part was historically argentinnan ,& that is what it should be
61.3% are Native Falklanders
29% are British
2.6% are Spaniard
0.6% are Japanese
6.5% are Chilian/Other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

So that fact that even though the population want to stay British, you would have them become Argentinian subjects against their will? Even though they dont want to be? Thats like giving a prison sentance to people that dont deserve it. The Falklands havent been Argentinian since 1833.
tkobo wrote:VERY unlikely you'll see falklands II.But even if you did, Argentina would soundly lose again.And this time the U.K. navy would not be likely to make the costly mistakes it made last time.
Actually this was pretty much my train of thought.



first of all that is not what i am saying ,the citizens shouldn't be Argentinian ,they could move to any other part of the uk ,but the land was a part of Argentina for a long time ,with what right do you say that it is British ,i mean when was it ok for the strong to pray on the weak ,how would you feel if the situation was the other way around ,their land ,their right it is that simple ,i see no reason to complicate things ,but people should do the right thing !!!!
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sa_3_d911 wrote: with what right do you say that it is British
The fact it is a British outpost and has been for 100+ years. British blood has been spilt to defend it. The people there DONT WANT an Argentinian government controlling their lives. You really dont believe in looking after your citizens do you?
sa_3_d911 wrote:i mean when was it ok for the strong to pray on the weak
Whilst mankind is around this will always be the case. Imperialistic adventure nowadays is usually a product of Dictatorships (in the later part of last century anyways). Britian is not praying on Argentinia at all. Perhaps in the past, but not today. If anything it would be vise-versa. Remember they invaded the Falklands in '82, the British didn't invade Argentinia.
sa_3_d911 wrote:but people should do the right thing
Hahaha, I think you are over-estimating humanity. Stupidity is a human virtue! :D
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I think that the Islands could be jointly Administerd By representatives from Falklands Islands, Argentine and UK. UK, Falklands and Argentine could have a joint task force there. Stanley would be protected entiarly by a Natvie Falkland Force or it would be demilitarized. Falklands would keep their current self-determination status.
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Ragu wrote: The fact it is a British outpost and has been for 100+ years. British blood has been spilt to defend it. The people there DONT WANT an Argentinian government controlling their lives. You really dont believe in looking after your citizens do you?
yes you lost men to protect it ,yes the population there wants to be British ,but why aren't you listening people can simply move to another part of Britain ,but land can't & i do look after my citizens ,but it isn't like they can't move !!!

Ragu wrote: Whilst mankind is around this will always be the case. Imperialistic adventure nowadays is usually a product of Dictatorships (in the later part of last century anyways). Britian is not praying on Argentina at all. Perhaps in the past, but not today. If anything it would be vise-versa. Remember they invaded the Falklands in '82, the British didn't invade Argentina.
actually you are taking a land that isn't yours & they did invade you inorder to gain their land back that is called liberation

Ragu wrote: Hahaha, I think you are over-estimating humanity. Stupidity is a human virtue! :D


i agree humans through the course of history has fought ,destroyed & done things that stupid is sooooooo small to describe ,but the more we accept that fact & not try to change it , the more the stupidity grows the reason that a lot of countries hate the british & american leaderships is because they no longer do the right thing ,this isn't yours then give it up you have no right to it ,that is what i believe
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As a UK citizen, I would be perfectly happy to cede the falklands provided the population wants that. Which they don't. We may not have the right to it, but neither does the Argentine government. The only people who we can say to have any kind of 'right' to it are the people living in the Falklands.
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Perhaps I am seeing connections that aren't there, but I notice that Argentina didn't try this crap while Bush was in office.
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Oil "wasn't" there when bush was in office? 8O
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I would have to research it, but I am relatively sure that the oil deposits were not discovered in the last year. I admit I could be wrong, but I think it has a lot to do with Argentina not being afraid of Hillary Clinton presenting them with a plastic "restart" button, or worried about Obama's warm and fuzzy relations with Britain. How does the Queen like her I-Pod anyway? Does she listen to Barrack's speeches every day? Did Brown ever find a DVD player that would play those cheap ass movies? I wonder if Cristina Fernandez De Kirchner has written any Anti American books that Barrack can keep on his night stand next to Chavez' book? :lol:

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Oh, I can't recall chapter and verse, but international law grants ownership if lands are occupied more than 100 years. That issue is the final verdict, and supercedes all other claims.

Hence, you saw the U.K. lease bases to the U.S. for ninety-nine years during WWII as part of lend lease. In those agreements they did not cede title to the land.

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Perhaps I am seeing connections that aren't there, but I notice that Argentina didn't try this crap while Bush was in office.
Well the 1st time they tried to take them in `82 , Reagan and Thatcher were both leaders of thier nations. I really dont see any connection that they may try again just because of Obama, Clinton or Brown. From what I read about the situation, a drilling rig is supposed to arrive in the next week and Argentina made the decree this week.

Did Bush have a deal with the UK for the UK not to drill for oil and gas in the Falklands during his term?

Did Bush have a deal with Argentina to persuade the UK not to drill for oil and gas in the Falklands ? Maybe thru Enron ?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Falklands empty when the British first arrived there? Now I'm all for former colonial powers compensating their former colonies, but (In my opinion), the British got them fair and square.
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