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As the answer to Americans who like to talk profusely about their internal problems, I will show the interesting moments in the Soviet life.

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Twelve sexual precepts of revolutionary proletariat
Brochure "Revolution and youth" publisher Sverdlov Communistic University, 1924


1. There mustn't be sexual life maturity in the proletariat midst too early.
2. Sexual abstention must be before marriage, and marriage is possible only in a complete social and biological maturity (20-25 years).
3. Sexual relations - as finite end of deep all-round liking and affection to the object of sexual love only.
4. Love making must be finite part in a chain of the deep and difficult feelings linking lovers at present.
5. Love making mustn't be too frequent.
6. There is not necessary to change the lover often. There is less variety.
7. Love must be monogamous and monoandric (one wife, one husband)
8. In every love making it should be remembered possibility of the child conception - in general to remember about offspring.
9. Sexual selection must be built on the way of the class revolutionary-proletarian expediency. Some flirtation, courting, coquetry and other methods of a specially-sexual gain mustn't be brought in love relations.
10. There mustn't be a jealousy.
11. There mustn't be a sexual perversions.
12. The class has the right to interfere in a sexual life of the co-members in interests of revolutionary expediency; the sexual must submit the class completely, to disturb nothing, and serve completely.
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I forget who said it, but it would seem to apply,

"Never give an order you know will not be obeyed." :wink:

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In soviet Russia, love falls in YOU!
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That dude in 1924 was ahead of his time
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Lightbringer wrote:I forget who said it, but it would seem to apply,

"Never give an order you know will not be obeyed."
This man never lived in Russia. Russian realize impossible missions constantly. One way or another.

Report note about eyewashing in WPRA units.
Special department JSPG notes that there were cases when command carried out actions for eyewash without reckoning preparation level of the subordinates in a pursuit of the best results of shooting and artillery preparation in variety of units WPRA.
It is considered up to 100 cases of eyewash for the period August-September 1933 in 15 divisions alone that established now it was prearranged in a majority and sometimes it took the form of a difficult combination with involvement of a significant amount of persons of command and ordinary staff.
The most widespread ways of a deception: substitution of weak people by the prepared, issue increased quantity of cartridges against norm to shooters, artificial piercing of targets, wrong record of results and etc. For example:
In 7th artillery regiment (UMD) before inspection gunnery the commander has called conference of battery commanders where has declared that battalion staff will receive exact co-ordinates of the target which the staff will change on 5-10 metres for veil, and battery commander will shoot on illegally received co-ordinates.
In a sniper troop of 95th rifleman regiment 32nd rifl. division (MDoV) former chief of the sniper troop Panfilov has offered for inspection reviews "...to detach men who will sit in blindages and will do holes in blank targets..." In fact, specially instructed demonstrators the platoon leader Tolstin and master sergeant Polipkov sat in blindages and pierced targets from nagants.
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I wasn't really talking about

"Attack and take that Hill even if you suffer 90% casualties!"

I was talking about

"Stop having sex with your wife and/or girlfriend!"

Also, I think you misunderstood the quote. If your robot/slave/Russian troops will follow an order to cut their own Grandmother's throat, or make a suicide attack, then Great! Go ahead and order them to do it. If there is some action like voluntarily becoming celibate, or maybe you don't think they will follow the order to kill civilians, don't try and order them to do that. It isn't about bravery or succeeding at impossible odds. It is about knowing what your troops (or citizens) will or will not do.

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Lightbringer wrote:I wasn't really talking about

"Attack and take that Hill even if you suffer 90% casualties!"

I was talking about

"Stop having sex with your wife and/or girlfriend!"

Also, I think you misunderstood the quote. If your robot/slave/Russian troops will follow an order to cut their own Grandmother's throat, or make a suicide attack, then Great! Go ahead and order them to do it. If there is some action like voluntarily becoming celibate, or maybe you don't think they will follow the order to kill civilians, don't try and order them to do that. It isn't about bravery or succeeding at impossible odds. It is about knowing what your troops (or citizens) will or will not do.

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I think what exactly you have not understood my thought. The systematic giving of unrealizable orders doesn't lead to absurdity, but absolutely another relations, mentality, culture, etc. There is a mutual adaptation. As a result it is more and more difficult to understand people of another culture.

The man who has told this phrase, actually acknowledged his understanding limit. He cannot imagine what occurs in a society with another principles and relations. In particular for Russian.
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What has Soviet Union brought to the world? Misery? Pain?

Nah, I say awesome artwork, military marches and WWII propaganda art :)
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The Khan wrote:What has Soviet Union brought to the world? Misery? Pain?

Nah, I say awesome artwork, military marches and WWII propaganda art :)
Ataturk accessed to representatives of the Soviet Russia: "We appreciate the Soviet people, your government and V.I.Lenin because your help is unselfish. You don't demand from us the submission or implement some political obligations... There is one purpose for us: struggle against imperialists, liberation of people of the East from colonial oppression. The victory of new Turkey over the English-French and Greek interventionists would be achieved with noncomparable big victims or even is absolutely impossible without Russian support. It has helped Turkey morally and financially. Also would be a crime if our nation has forgotten about this help". So it was, neighbour...

Actually, grandiose communisic experiment raise up many social sciences: sociolgy, economics, psychology and other. A lot of scientists from both sides of boundary studied the Soviet regime. Also the USSR participated in social and technological races, whose reachings we use now.
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Someone who knows about Atatürk's Soviet relationships, eh?
You don't demand from us the submission or implement some political obligations...
Dear friend, it is politic talk. The next years had Turkish writers explaining why Communism was useless and evil to Turkish people. Ataturk was wise to distance itself from the increasingly more aggressive Soviet Union.
There is one purpose for us: struggle against imperialists, liberation of people of the East from colonial oppression.
Ironically, the truest words within the diplomatic era.
The victory of new Turkey over the English-French and Greek interventionists would be achieved with noncomparable big victims or even is absolutely impossible without Russian support. It has helped Turkey morally and financially. Also would be a crime if our nation has forgotten about this help
IIRC North Anatolian grain reserves were tapped for aiding the crippled Soviet agriculture in exchange for Mosin Nagant rifles. My friend's Granddad has one! We hold it when we watch "Enemy at the Gates".

Still my friend, Ataturk most likely used diplomatic finesse to...embellish your help's appearance in our war. We used a rag-tag collection of Italian,German,Russian,French and stolen British guns. Sure, your rifle and logistic aid helped greatly before larger clashes, but it was part of a great effort, not all of it. And I remember the favor was repaid in generous trade deals and grain aids, if I am not mistaken.

Still, Soviet aid will be remembered. We are today in a real bad shape, and no better off than a Hindu Colony working themselves hard for their British masters, but Ataturk gave us a spirit, and most importantly, achieved something few men could do: Turn back 300 years of Industrial steamrolling over Asia, AND change a Muslim Theocracy to a Secular State almost in par with Europe. Now THAT is a rare feat, people must admit.
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The Khan wrote:Someone who knows about Atatürk's Soviet relationships, eh?
I consider that the responsible citizen should know history of the country.
The Khan wrote:Dear friend, it is politic talk. The next years had Turkish writers explaining why Communism was useless and evil to Turkish people. Ataturk was wise to distance itself from the increasingly more aggressive Soviet Union.
However only your combined command played with us in a football at the time.
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Lea wrote: There is one purpose for us: struggle against imperialists, liberation of people of the East from colonial oppression.
Ironically, the truest words within the diplomatic era.
Weakness of the state sometimes does its very moral and fair.
The Khan wrote:IIRC North Anatolian grain reserves were tapped for aiding the crippled Soviet agriculture in exchange for Mosin Nagant rifles. My friend's Granddad has one! We hold it when we watch "Enemy at the Gates".

Still my friend, Ataturk most likely used diplomatic finesse to...embellish your help's appearance in our war. We used a rag-tag collection of Italian,German,Russian,French and stolen British guns. Sure, your rifle and logistic aid helped greatly before larger clashes, but it was part of a great effort, not all of it. And I remember the favor was repaid in generous trade deals and grain aids, if I am not mistaken.

Still, Soviet aid will be remembered. We are today in a real bad shape, and no better off than a Hindu Colony working themselves hard for their British masters, but Ataturk gave us a spirit, and most importantly, achieved something few men could do: Turn back 300 years of Industrial steamrolling over Asia, AND change a Muslim Theocracy to a Secular State almost in par with Europe. Now THAT is a rare feat, people must admit.
In our history I didn't see records of trade deals with Turkey at that time. Hovewer it was a question of political unselfishness instead of gifts. Soviet Union has tried to embody an ideal of the equal rights. Other states have been forced to follow in the same direction.

So you say awesome artwork, military marches and WWII propaganda art but forget necessary Mosin rifle...
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Lea wrote: So you say awesome artwork, military marches and WWII propaganda art but forget necessary Mosin rifle...
I was talking about the world history and Soviet influence in general... You know, the greater picture.
In our history I didn't see records of trade deals with Turkey at that time. Hovewer it was a question of political unselfishness instead of gifts. Soviet Union has tried to embody an ideal of the equal rights. Other states have been forced to follow in the same direction.
Soviets did what was the right thing to do. Aiding another people's rebellion against colonial forces, right on their doorstep was something they couldn't ignore.

I wish Stalin's terror reign would have never happened though. :-(
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The Khan wrote:I was talking about the world history and Soviet influence in general... You know, the greater picture.
For example remember these words: sputnik, Gagarin...
The Khan wrote:Soviets did what was the right thing to do. Aiding another people's rebellion against colonial forces, right on their doorstep was something they couldn't ignore.

I wish Stalin's terror reign would have never happened though.
You write as though you have suffered from Stalin's reign. If you such a humanist then express pity to Greeks and Armenians. Stalin was only a top of the pyramid consisting of millions of careerists, sneakers, hangmen, victims - in short is usual people in complicated conditions.
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Stalin was only a top of the pyramid consisting of millions of careerists, sneakers, hangmen, victims - in short is usual people in complicated conditions.
I wish Stalin's terror reign would have never happened though.
It contains all his henchmen as well.
If you such a humanist then express pity to Greeks and Armenians.
After staying as subjects of Ottomans loyally for 4 centuries (8 for the latter) and then rebelling like giving a sucker punch to an already dying Empire has its repercussions. Those who suffered under Stalin did suffer whether they rebelled or not.
You write as though you have suffered from Stalin's reign.
I meant the global damage Stalin's reign has caused to the name of Communism, and the amount of material and proof it has delivered to Western hands to make "boogeyman" out of the smallest concept of the Leftism and Socialism.
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The Khan wrote:It contains all his henchmen as well.
Don't you understand what a problem not in henchmen but in a society? To condemn Stalin so senselessly as well as the leader of a cannibal tribe where all people eat human flesh for a long time. It is senseless to condemn Vermaht, Tumens of the Chingis-khan and Stalin's henchmen. The majority of a nations had periods when people refused universal morality.
The Khan wrote:After staying as subjects of Ottomans loyally for 4 centuries (8 for the latter) and then rebelling like giving a sucker punch to an already dying Empire has its repercussions.
Talk to Greeks or Serbs what to be "subjects of Ottomans" and how much they were "loyally".
The Khan wrote:Those who suffered under Stalin did suffer whether they rebelled or not.
Do you think what Greeks did not suffer under Ottomans "whether they rebelled or not"? Really? Pretty nice!
The Khan wrote:I meant the global damage Stalin's reign has caused to the name of Communism, and the amount of material and proof it has delivered to Western hands to make "boogeyman" out of the smallest concept of the Leftism and Socialism.
First, it is the Western hands have given a communism to Soviet Union. It does not happen in Russia without Marx and First World War. Second, without real communism capitalists there was no sense to make better working terms of usual people. Socialists frightened employers by this "boogeyman" and achieve 8-hours work day, payment increase, political representatives, etc.
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