France vs Germany

[Lea]

In 1945 Third Reich has been doomed in any case. Even if Hitler would order to make of Me-262 huge humanoid robots and protect them border (its new Russian joke).

[Lightbringer]

Actually, aside from the French nukes, the relative strengths and weaknesses of France and Germany are fairly similar to how they stood before WWII. Since we are discussing a one on one "death match", with the two countries magically in a bubble and everyone else stuck outside watching, France would have to use it's nukes very very wisely to win with them. If they used them and still lost, Germany would be cleaning up the radioactive destruction with unprotected French labor gangs, and rightly so. My money would be on Germany, but winning would probably just about shred their capabilities for at least a couple of years if not decades.

As for WWII... Me 262 should have been used what it was designed for, air superiority. It was also delayed by at least a year, although I can't remember if Goering or Hitler made that blunder. Germany could have possibly won the war if they had made about 10-12 major policy decisions (such as not putting the economy on a war footing until way too late) differently. Their industry was organized poorly and much effort was wasted in redundancy. They might have baited Russia into attacking and lured even more Russian troops forward into early encirclement, and then stuck with one major strategic objective instead of switching plans every few months as they did IRL. Really, the only way Germany wins WWII is if someone much more competent than Hitler was running the show. In which case, they probably don't fight WWII in the first place.

-Light

[Vuk-Wolf]

Heh germany was doomed in end by 1943 when soviets started counter attack.Now something about Germany propaganda xD and imagination

[Spetznaz123]

Could the Germans have had bases in the South Pole? What if Hitler ordered his Generals to use secret weapons but they refused??? World War II mysteries and secret weapons interest me.

[Vuk-Wolf]

or,

and

[Kreiger815]

Really, the only way Germany wins WWII is if someone much more competent than Hitler was running the show. In which case, they probably don't fight WWII in the first place. -Light

Small factoid: Allies originally had a plan to kill Hitler. They dropped these plans when it was decided Hitler was doing more good for the war effort than anything they could.

[Vuk-Wolf]

Actually it was 48 times they tried to assasinate him.But by miracle they all failed O_O

[Kreiger815]

Actually it was 48 times they tried to assasinate him.But by miracle they all failed O_O

40 times actually.

And it wasn't the Allies in most cases.

As the war went on after D-Day, the Allies saw Hitler as one of their greatest assets.

[Vuk-Wolf]

Yeah i know about that werent allies in most casses. (Btw i saw 48 in documenary)

[Spetznaz123]

or,

and

Is Photoshop free?

[Darkreaper]

the French willingness to use Nuclear weapons, even on their own soil is something that would greatly tip the scales in their favour. In the case of a land war between the two powers, naval dominance is relatively important. Im unaware of France and Germany's current dependence on imports to maintain their economies. Depending on that fact would determine how effective a naval blockade would work for either side. As far as air power is concerned, the only two air forces i would never underestimate would be the German's and even more so the Israeli's. I dont think air combat has ever been an area in the entire history of aerial warfare that the Germans havent dominated completely. In modern warfare air supremacy more than often translates directly into victory on the ground. The Leopard tanks are by far the best in the world, surpassing all other modern MBTs currently in service. Finally we come down to ammunition reserves, economic strength and manpower reserves and im sure that German comes out on top in all 3 cases, probably not by much but still an important advantage over the french. In a conventional war i would say Germany would win, but i doubt it would be an easily won fight, but with the option of nuclear weapons, french victory is assured. They have more than enough warheads to blanket the entire German countryside. If you ignore the bubble however, use of French nuclear weapons would most likely provoke an immediate response from the USA, Russia and China in the form of a nuclear strike against France as well

As for WW2, to sit around and count the number of mistakes Hitler made post 1940 would take forever. Germany could have easily won ww2, all they needed to do was defeat the soviet union and there is not a single thing that anyone could have done about it. Simple as that

[sa_3_d911]

the French willingness to use Nuclear weapons, even on their own soil is something that would greatly tip the scales in their favour. In the case of a land war between the two powers, naval dominance is relatively important. Im unaware of France and Germany's current dependence on imports to maintain their economies. Depending on that fact would determine how effective a naval blockade would work for either side. As far as air power is concerned, the only two air forces i would never underestimate would be the German's and even more so the Israeli's. I dont think air combat has ever been an area in the entire history of aerial warfare that the Germans havent dominated completely. In modern warfare air supremacy more than often translates directly into victory on the ground. The Leopard tanks are by far the best in the world, surpassing all other modern MBTs currently in service. Finally we come down to ammunition reserves, economic strength and manpower reserves and im sure that German comes out on top in all 3 cases, probably not by much but still an important advantage over the french. In a conventional war i would say Germany would win, but i doubt it would be an easily won fight, but with the option of nuclear weapons, french victory is assured. They have more than enough warheads to blanket the entire German countryside. If you ignore the bubble however, use of French nuclear weapons would most likely provoke an immediate response from the USA, Russia and China in the form of a nuclear strike against France as well

As for WW2, to sit around and count the number of mistakes Hitler made post 1940 would take forever. Germany could have easily won ww2, all they needed to do was defeat the soviet union and there is not a single thing that anyone could have done about it. Simple as that

.

i agree with every thing you said except for WWII( i think that operation Barbarossa was a mistake i have no doubt that Hitler was one of the major if the biggest reason of the German defeat but if i where in his shoes i would have focused on the invasion of the UK because it controlled very rich oil countries like UAE ,kuwait,oman & he could have easily then provide him self with the much needed oil plus he would have ruled all Europe & only faced one enemy the USA which could have been easily destroyed facing many more nations than could & i would assume that the USSR would have attacked the usa also )

[Darkreaper]

not invading the UK meant that the western allies retained a position from which to launch an invasion of mainland europe. The victories in north africa and later on in italy proved useless strategically. In the end the only obstacle to German domination was the soviet union. Without the soviet union, the allies were nothing compared to the Wehrmacht. German forces in the west accounted for about a third of the entire German army, if that. Had the Germans been free to throw their entire forces against the Normandy landings, the allies would have been utterly crushed in a matter of weeks. It took over a dozen nations just to wear down the Third Reich and ultimately it was the soviet union that ended Nazi domination of europe

[Vuk-Wolf]

I totaly agree with you.

[The Khan]

This stuff is like Star Wars versus Star Trek.

Except Star Trek owns Star Wars.

Also, Warfront is a C&C Generals clone which is better than Generals.