Another interesting study on behavior

[tkobo]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... ains_N.htm

Poverty has a serious negative effect on a childs brain developement and use,when NOT countered.(Counters are simple things like the parents spending time promoting learning and social interaction)

Add in studies that show circa 60% of criminals/prisoners in developed countries are learning disabled and it starts to paint an interesting picture.

Than add in the studies that show malnutrition, stress, illiteracy and toxic environments also inhibit learning and brain development.

Now take all of those and look at "3rd world" nations thru a "lense" of these theories combined......

You have almost entire nations mired in poverty,filled with broken/dysfunctional families,living in dangerous and unhealthy environments,with limited access to decent schools and health care...limits often self imposed no less ...where voilence and crime are near non stop and directed at their very own society...

If these theories hold water, and if they work in a combined manner,certain societies are pretty much stuck as the disasters they currently are.And in fact should show signs of steady regression and instability...

It would explain a whole lot about why some societies cant seem to manage simple advancements even over hundreds of years...

[The Khan]

You have almost entire nations mired in poverty,filled with broken/dysfunctional families,living in dangerous and unhealthy environments,with limited access to decent schools and health care...limits often self imposed no less ...where voilence and crime are near non stop and directed at their very own society...

If these theories hold water, and if they work in a combined manner,certain societies are pretty much stuck as the disasters they currently are.And in fact should show signs of steady regression and instability...

It would explain a whole lot about why some societies cant seem to manage simple advancements even over hundreds of years...

About time. No seriously.

[CSA Partisan]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... ains_N.htm

Poverty has a serious negative effect on a childs brain developement and use,when NOT countered.(Counters are simple things like the parents spending time promoting learning and social interaction)

Add in studies that show circa 60% of criminals/prisoners in developed countries are learning disabled and it starts to paint an interesting picture.

Than add in the studies that show malnutrition, stress, illiteracy and toxic environments also inhibit learning and brain development.

Now take all of those and look at "3rd world" nations thru a "lense" of these theories combined......

You have almost entire nations mired in poverty,filled with broken/dysfunctional families,living in dangerous and unhealthy environments,with limited access to decent schools and health care...limits often self imposed no less ...where voilence and crime are near non stop and directed at their very own society...

If these theories hold water, and if they work in a combined manner,certain societies are pretty much stuck as the disasters they currently are.And in fact should show signs of steady regression and instability...

It would explain a whole lot about why some societies cant seem to manage simple advancements even over hundreds of years...

I guess the researchers don't have a lot of faith in Humanity. Quite depressing.

[The Khan]

I guess the researchers don't have a lot of faith in Humanity. Quite depressing.

Researchers is the key word. Faith in an abstract concept is alien to science, but not alien to pseudo-science that gave birth to racism, segregation, creationist theory and all other bullshit coming mostly out of the political right.

Why dislike a research result? Because it shatters your world that humanity is a mystical force that always can choose 100% individually? Your response is the same of a Christian's response to research about biological evolution, pi not being 3, and all the rest that nails the coffin of a Semitical myth. We are a chemical structure. Our Brains are. It can be damaged through everything, poverty's stress, chemical imbalances, extremely complex events that may damage it or drive the creature to greater zeal towards fending off these problems depends on how it is done, when it is done. The Conservative Right seem to despise these facts for it destroys their concept of "spirit".

Think about it. I myself believe the entire universe and the concept of "self" can be deconstructed and deciphered to the last iota.

[Legend]

Way to hijack a thread.

[Lightbringer]

Khan,

I'll pray for your soul while you deconstruct your iotas.

-Light

[tkobo]

Now think about this:

The one study i linked to claims this one factor,poverty,is eqaul to just less than stroke damage to a brain.

So what do you do with entire nations,millions of people no less,who are under not only this factor, but the others also mentioned ?

What do you do with entire nations of brain damaged people ?People who have great difficulty with higher-order thinking (this is by the way, in case you dont know, free and rational independent thought), and problem solving.

For instance, people who read what someone else said, memorize it,follow it and repeat it when they feel prompted are NOT using H.O.T.
That is simply rote memory.

People who read something, than challenge its points to better understand it,judge their accuracy, and than apply them,are using H.O.T.

So again, how do you help a nation of people incapable of using H.O.T.
People who cant think independently in a rational manner,who often follow with out question some talking head ,ideology,or theology ?


Heck,how do you get people to stop following Gore ?

[The Khan]

The answer lies within the question. I doubt you'll ever get it though.

For every conman/corrupt person/pork barrel spender the Democratic/Left whatever side of politics in your Country, there are a thousand on the right side. Angry about Obama's suing of the bankers about not giving away housing credit? Not too ethical, but if the suing is within the law's boundaries, it can't be objected, although it gives him a populist attitude of Robin Hood giving wealth to poor.

Sarah Palin's earmarked money for the bridge never built, or Ann Coulter's "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" quote are just nuttier/more corrupt examples from your side.

Those with H.O.T should question these as well, don't you think? So, do you have H.O.T?

As for myself, I might have been slightly brain damaged if this research is right, but at least I can judge both sides.

[tkobo]

So the question still stands,whats the fix ?

Well, let look at the "fixes" that have been used for decades:

"Give a man a fish"

What has this achieved so far ?
Did it solve the issue ?Nope.

Why not ?
Well,this requires a list:
1)It didnt make said people actually maange to care for themselves.
2)As such, it made them dependent on outside care.
3)Which allowed them longer lives and of course the ability to continue to follow the same path that got them where they are to begin with.
4)Which of course included lack of population control.Which of course resulted in increasing the problem as more people were born into the failed societies, and therefore the need for aid increased,increasing the problem.
5) and of course included incentive to NOT fix the problem,why put the tiem, effort work and suffering required to fix the problem, when someone else is going to allow you to avoid it to some degree.
This is in addition to:
6)Those in the society who have lost the ability for rational thought to the point they now prevent said aid from reaching its intended targets,
7)using said aid to create power structures with themselves as "leaders" so that they can continue to also perpetuate the problem as to profit from it in.

And than theres the "teach a man to fish" approach which is often tried along with the "give a man a fish" approach.

What has this achieved so far ?
Did it solve the issue ?Nope.

And again the list of whys:
1)teaching something to someone often breeds contemp by those someones who refuse to see the "new thoughts" as needed, and their society as failed.
2)this allows those above who seek to gain power in said society to point to the aid givers and say "they are killing our culture" and other "calls to action"
3)which of course draws those with the least amount of rational thought abiltity ,to see the aid givers as enemies
3)Which allows the aid givers to be killed
4)and the teaching resources and facilties to be stolen and or destroyed
5) and the blame for the societies failure to be shifted to yet another outside source.

So what we have is two "solutions" that not only make things worse,that not only perpetuate the problem, but create new ones....

[Lightbringer]

@Khan,

A few points... Sarah Palin is the one who killed the "bridge to nowhere" and caused the funding to be used on actual, useful projects. Anne Coulter is not even a journalist, she is an entertainment writer with a political focus. Are you saying we should deny her her freedom of speech? Having spent a lifetime twice as long as yours watching American politics from inside America instead of from the other side of the globe, I highly doubt that the left is less corrupt than the right, much less 1,000 times less corrupt. Funny, I can't think of any Republican Governors who have tried to blatantly sell U.S. Senate seats such as the Governor of Illinois was trying to do with Obama's vacated seat.

As for being able to use H.O.T. to think about Republicans not being virginal and pure. You bet your booty I have. It still comes down to which side would do what if they were close to honest. I'll choose what an honest Republican wants to do over what an honest Democrat wants to do any day of the week. That you think Democrats are 1,000 times more honest than Republicans is glaring proof that you have been brainwashed. Even the parts of the U.S. media which are entirely liberal have a hard time making both sides look "even" in the corruption department. Go on and keep swallowing each spoonful of lies and poison hatred Khan, I'm sure the Mullahs and Imams and whatnot are grateful to you.

-Light