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So ... that is the basis on which the UN try to create peacekeeping and in one epic failure peacemaking opearations, at which they consistently fails.
Lets look through them shall we to see the failures in all their glory:

Completed missions (52)

Africa
Dates of operation Name of Operation Location Conflict
1960–1964 United Nations Operation in the Congo (ONUC) Congo Congo Crisis FAILURE: the war continued
1988–1991 United Nations Angola Verification Mission I (UNAVEM I) Angola Angolan Civil War FAILURE: only reason it succeeded is because its goal was already achieved WITHOUT UN (too little too late)
1989–1990 United Nations Transition Assistance Group (UNTAG) Namibia Namibian War of Independence FAILURE: only reason it succeeded is because its goal was already achieved WITHOUT UN (too little too late)
1991–1995 United Nations Angola Verification Mission II (UNAVEM II) Angola Angolan Civil War FAILURE: only reason it succeeded is because its goal was already achieved WITHOUT UN (too little too late)
1992–1994 United Nations Operation in Mozambique (ONUMOZ) Mozambique Mozambican Civil War FAILURE: but not a very published or big one.
1992–1993 United Nations Operation in Somalia I (UNOSOM I) Somalia Somali Civil War HUGE FAILURE: I rest my case with the pirates operating off the coast.
1993–1997 United Nations Observer Mission in Liberia (UNOMIL) Liberia First Liberian Civil War FAILURE: observe its the FIRST liberian civil war ...
1993–1994 United Nations Observer Mission Uganda-Rwanda (UNOMUR) Rwanda Rwandan Civil War FAILURE: only reason it succeeded is because its goal was already achieved WITHOUT UN (too little too late)
1993–1996 United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR) Rwanda Rwandan Civil War FAILURE: only reason it succeeded is because its goal was already achieved WITHOUT UN (too little too late)
1993–1995 United Nations Operation in Somalia II (UNOSOM II) Somalia Somali Civil War FAILURE: see above under Somalia I
1994 United Nations Aouzou Strip Observer Group (UNASOG) Libya Chad Aouzou Strip dispute FAILURE: a civil war sort of underscores my point
1995–1997 United Nations Angola Verification Mission III (UNAVEM III) Angola Angolan Civil War ANOTHER FAILURE: any UN mission with a roman numeral after it is almost always a failure as they have failed to resolve the basic problem that gave arise to the need for a mission ...
1997–1999 United Nations Observer Mission in Angola (MONUA) Angola Angolan Civil War HUGE FAILURE: it waas too embarrasing to call it UNAVEM IV so they chose another name.
1998–1999 United Nations Observer Mission in Sierra Leone (UNOMSIL) Sierra Leone Sierra Leone civil war FAILURE: on the grounds that there is no peace and order yet.
1998–2000 United Nations Mission in the Central African Republic (MINURCA) Central African Republic Central African Republic mutinies HALF SUCCES/FAILURE: but as no one ever hears anything about it, then its hard to judge.
1999–2005 United Nations Mission in Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL) Sierra Leone Sierra Leone civil war FAILURE: See UNOMSIL
2000–2008 United Nations Mission in Ethiopia and Eritrea (UNMEE) Eritrea Eritrean-Ethiopian War FAILURE: they sorted it out themselves without UN.
2004–2007 United Nations Operation in Burundi (ONUB) Burundi Burundi Civil War FAILURE: they ran out of steam - and not because of the UN.
1999–2010 United Nations Organization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUC) Congo Second Congo War OBVIOUS AND HUGE FAILURE: The war still rages around UN personnel...
2007–2010 United Nations Mission in the Central African Republic and Chad (MINURCAT)
Chad, Central African Republic Darfur Conflict, Civil war in Chad (2005–2010) OBVIOUS AND HUGE FAILURE: The war still rages around UN personnel...

North America
Dates of operation Name of Operation Location Conflict Website
1965–1966 Mission of the Representative of the Secretary-General in the Dominican Republic (DOMREP) Dominican Republic Operation Power Pack FAILURE: But sort of fixed thanks to massive US intervention
1989–1992 United Nations Observer Group in Central America (ONUCA) Central America1 Nicaraguan Civil War FAILURE: Only a partial success because the parties were fed up fighting anyway AND the fall of the iron curtain had robbed them of ressources. This is a common reason for many of the alleged UN "succeses" regarding peacekeeping operations.
1991–1995 United Nations Observer Mission in El Salvador (ONUSAL) El Salvador El Salvador Civil War FAILURE: See above
1993–1996 United Nations Mission in Haiti (UNMIH) Haiti 1991 coup and military rule in Haiti FAILURE: the country is still up the creek without a paddle...
1996–1997 United Nations Support Mission in Haiti (UNSMIH) Haiti Stabilizing Haiti's new democracy FAILURE: see above ...
1997 United Nations Verification Mission in Guatemala (MINUGUA) Guatemala Guatemalan Civil War FAILURE: see above ...
1997 United Nations Transition Mission in Haiti (UNTMIH) Haiti Training of the Haitian National Police FAILURE: see above ...
1997–2000 United Nations Civilian Police Mission in Haiti (MIPONUH) Haiti Training of the Haitian National Police FAILURE: a joke. A sad joke, but a joke none the less.
2000–2001 United Nations General Assembly International Civilian Support Mission in Haiti (MICAH) Haiti Training of the Haitian National Police FAILURE: see above ...

Asia
Dates of operation Name of Operation Location Conflict Website
1962–1963 United Nations Security Force in West New Guinea (UNSF) Netherlands New Guinea Transfer of sovereignty over West New Guinea Indonesia FAILURE AND AN EMBARRASMENT: the area was taken over by Indonesia ...
1965–1966 United Nations India-Pakistan Observation Mission (UNIPOM) India Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 OBVIOUS FAILURE: They are still at war
1988–1990 United Nations Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan and Pakistan (UNGOMAP) Afghanistan Soviet-Afghan War Pakistan FAILURE AND AN EMBARRASMENT: too little an much too late - and they didnt really do anything ... point of fact being the continued presence of allied troops in Afghanistan.
1991–1992 United Nations Advance Mission in Cambodia (UNAMIC) Cambodia Vietnamese Occupation of Cambodia FAILURE: And here it REALLY gets embarrasing: after having completely failed to do ANYTHING about Khmer Rouge and the killing fields because China could VETO any action (because for reasons unknown, communist China got a seat in the security council in 1971), The UN suddenly chose to monitor Vietnam who only reacted to continued attacks across the border.
1992–1993 United Nations Transitional Authority in Cambodia (UNTAC) Cambodia Vietnamese Occupation of Cambodia COMPLETE FAILURE: no real government was established, no infrastructure created, no warcriminals captured and practically NO landmines cleared.

1999 United Nations Mission in East Timor (UNAMET) East Timor1 Indonesian invasion and occupation COMPLETE FAILURE: building on a previous failure ...
1999–2002 The United Nations Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET) 1 East Timor Indonesian invasion and occupation SEE ABOVE
2002–2005 United Nations Mission of Support in East Timor (UNMISET) East Timor Indonesian invasion and occupation SEE ABOVE

This is just a few ... I could continue, and sadly with the same result. UN is like the League of Nations: a toothless old fool that scare no dictator and prevents no wars ...

On a final note then let me just point out that Korea is also a failure for the simple reason that there is still a state of war between north and south, Jugoslavia was an obvious failure where NATO had to take the reigns ... something which have repeated it self.

IN fact I dare anyone to bring forward ONE SINGLE successfull UN peacekeeping mission ...

Sorry about the length of the post ...

Well, it would be damn hard to show the magnitude of the failure without many small posts,or a few larges one.And since the failure is on going ....

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Indeed ... I chose to limit myself as having gone through all of them would have meant making something like 4 seperate posts. The point being that every single operation is a CLEAR and resounding failure !

On another note, then I could also have dragged out the failures of the of the other "great" UN instruments/organizations, namely UNICEF and UNHCR. The former being very high profile but in reality have in many instances only done window dressing while solving no real problems. The latter being more of a custodian of refugee camps than anything else.

The failures of both are numerous and varied, and I could create another 4 posts with those alone...

So I repeat: I dare anyone to name just ONE successfull UN operation ...

I don't know... they seem to have been pretty successful at emasculating Europe, vilifying Israel, and bilking the United States...

-Light

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" 2004–2007 United Nations Operation in Burundi (ONUB) Burundi Burundi Civil War FAILURE: they ran out of steam - and not because of the UN."


I have to disagree the UN present did influence certain rebel groups to come to the negation. You should not judge DRC till it is over. Then there is Sudan that is sort a victory.

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Lets take them one at a time shall we:

Burundi: There was peacetalks 1996-2003, but WITHOUT the UN anywhere in sight. Which is when peacekeeping troops were committed by AU and NOT UN... The UN came into play in 2004 and thus tried to create a success by stealing the results from others.
However the ever-incompetent UN actually managed to f... it up (again), as they failed to disarm the FLN (one of the armed factions). This only stopped when South africa intervened as a negotiator and mediator between the Burundian government and the FLN (again with the UN nowhere in sight).
The country however is STILL up the creek with no paddle in sight: Burundi has the lowest per capita gross income in the world, just to mention one trivia...

In that light I would actually recharacterize the mission as a TOTAL FAILURE ...

DRC

"You should not judge DRC till it is over." Until everyone is dead you mean ?

Because in any other respect the Congo surely and without a doubt must be one of UN´s greatest failures ever (and there truly are some whoppers) !
If we start with their independence then the "Congo crises" used huge amounts and money and personnel. The ONUC numbered around 20.000 at their peak - and were completely useless, as they failed to create any lasting peace. Instead the fact that they DID NOT do anything about the Katangan indepence, forced Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba into attempting an invasion which failed, but also shattered what peace that remained. Incidentally it also managed to make UN hated by ALL parties - including the Katangese troops of Moise Tshombe.
Also Dag Hammerskiöld managed to die at the worst possible time in september 1961, thus effectively ensuring that no one could mount any worthwhile talks.
This paved the way for future failures ... fast forward to present times:
The first Congo war (November 1996 to May 1997), saw no UN action - just silence and INaction. And later lots of talk and little else.
Which led to the second Congo war which began in August 1998, and is by some called the african world war alternatively the african great war, as it has so many belligerents and has gone on for so long. UN INaction in this war incidentally led to the Kivu conflict 2004–2009, in which the UN actually tried to intervene.
Allthough the UN established MONUC/ MONUSCO in 1999, then it has done jack all to actually stop anything - instead just wasting money in excess of US$ 9 billion ... (and still counting). The war is still ongoing, no democracy, no human rights (people are being hunted and eaten by cannibals amongts other things!), no infrastructure and no future.

SO.. another TOTAL AND EMBARRASING FAILURE there ...

Sudan

In what way exactly do you see that as a success
Omar al-bashir is still free and unfortunately and sadly is both alive and well, the country is divided and in turmoil, there is no democracy, no human rights, no infrastructure and no future.
The establishment of South Sudan as an independent country on 9th July 2011 which received UN recognition on 14th July 2011, is not a success. Its just a matter of the UN giving up trying to make Sudan as a whole work!

So another HUGE FAILURE there - which was attempted to be disguised as a victory.


The UN does not work, nor will it ever as long as a sun sets any where on the earth. It is fast approaching the point where the illusion of its worth is dispelled by the facts of its failures...

Oh you forgot that they have also been good at: elevating medieval dictatorships like North Korea to a place of international recognition, cementing corruption and nepotism in african and other developing nations, wasting untold billions of £/$, making sure that s...holes and old outhouses that NO one have ever heard of (including the locals) are protected forever through the use of wast sums in UNESCO ...

I get the feeling the UN isn't like in this forum lol.

Not that I particulary like them ofc... They need some ***king backbone...

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The UN might not be the best hell it is a failure. But it still saves lives and there is nothing to replace it with.

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Why should it be replaced ?Or asked another way,if such an organization doesnt work,why have one at all ?The UN is now all about failure,its what butters their bread.Heck it IS their bread and butter.Were they to actually succeed,by their own reasoning,they would put themselves out of a job.No,their powerbase is built on failure.

The UN is like a plague carrier traveling from town to town to try and stop the plague.

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That is the very reason they exist for. They are a blank check for spending.

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The exact same statement can be accurately said of any Left Wing political organization. No Flaming or Left/Right endless arguments please. We can hash that out for the 300 millionth time in a more appropriate thread. In fact, I'll start one.

-Light

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With all due respect for everyone: The point to all those trying in some way to defend the incompetent and supremely expensive insane asylum, that UN factually is, seems to be that you all give up trying to mount any rational arguments for the very existence of the organization.
Not that I blame you - because it is a kindergarden for dictators, demagogues and charlatans who ply their trade to the tune of billions of ... whatever currency.

You all fall back to something like "we need something like that" or "its not good, but now that its there" or to paraphrase Churchill "UN is the worst form of international government except for all those others that have been tried."

Its a worthless waste of money. Period.

It has never done anything right. Ever.

It is as impotent and useless as the League of nations, and as such it has utterly failed to stop or prevent any war anywhere or even to permanently resolve any issues. It is a breeding ground for megalomaniacs and dictators which sees genocide, nepotism, corruption, large scale theft of national values and anti-democratic behaviour as completely normal and reasonable.

From top to bottom to add to that cesspool, then it is manned by incomptent and thoroughly corrupt powerbrokers who care for nothing but themselves. They actually sometimes manage to CREATE conflicts becuase they try to swindle UN assets and money into their own power sphere or etnic group.

And even if we were to ignore those facts, then that would not change the basic fact that NONE of the bad people and evil regimes that the UN should theoretically deal with are afraid of them. At all. Or respect them for that matter (like the farce in Iraq with weapon inspections and WMD controls).

Instead it is organizations like INTERPOL, EUROPOL, FBI, NATO, AU and similar that does the cleaning around the world - aided or obstructed by the great nations of the world including the BRIC nations ...

All the bad guys AND the s...holes of the world knows very well that USA and Europe tries to use UN as an instrument to FORCE them to democracy and failing that uses it for windowdressing when waging wars ... and little else - and consequently dont give a rats a.. what UN says

SO ...

In all honesty and calmness, then I would dare any Pro-UN to answer this question:

What EXACTLY would be lost if everyone in UN employ was fired and those few UN organizations that actually do something worthwhile like UNHCR or UNICEF should be transferred to a new multi-national organizations ?

The UN peacekeepers in south sudan are venturing out of their barracks after over a week a violence has left an est 1000+ dead.....By the UN's own account,the violence has killed over 1000,and includes the kidnapping of over 200 children,the burning of more than 7,000 houses, and displaced up to 20,000 people.

Wow,good thing the peacekeepers were there,in their barracks.....

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