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Hullu Hevonen wrote:Actually China supported more Cambodja while Russia(USSR) Vietnam, this mounted to 2 wars at the end of the 70's. In Rwanda, I haven't heard of any great power(except for France) supporting any faction, though it's possible everyone was involved there and Bosnia is disputed, since there where the NATO bombing campaigns.
Actually ... you got it all wrong:

Initially Vietnam was supported by both China and the Sovietunion, whereas the regime in Cambodia (Lon Nol and his puppet King Sihanouk) was supported by USA among others. It was only when Lon Nol was ousted by the mad dogs of Khmer Rouge, that support from China started flowing into Cambodia.
This was an obvious powerplay as Vietnam had meanwhile been fed up with the Chinese and their machinations and turned to the Sovietunion who supported Vietnam throughout the latter part of the Vietnam war.

After the North had won over the south, then Vietnam finally and slowly began their healing process.

However China STILL tried to influence and coerce Vietnam without any succes. So when the simpletons and mass-murdering psychos of Khmer Rouge started waging a war of ethnic cleansing in Cambodia as well as carried out cross-border raids against vietnam and vietnamese, Vietnam understandably got somewhat upset. Incidently then the Lon Nol regime committed atrocities against vietnamese as well, so it was old hatred ...
This off course was on top of the national genocide that Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia...

When Khmer rouge proved to be beyond rational reach, then Vietnam finally felt forced to invade Cambodia in 1979 following the unsuccessfull Cambodian invasion in 1978, after which the cowards of Khmer rouge rouge ran like rabbits ... all the way to China who promptly demanded that the Vietnamese left the murderers alone ...

The Vietnamese basicly told the chinese to stick their eggrolls where the sun dont shine, after which the chinese invaded Vietnam....

The selfdestructive drive of communists are seemingly without borders or ends... :roll:

SO ... your point was that Syria is NOT another killling field ???

This is obviously a false statement:

In Syria the Dictator is supported directly by Iran, who in turn is supported directly by China and for the same reasons: they are terrified that the seeds of democracy will germinate and thus force the syrian hereditary dictatorship from power. In effect they are driven by the same fear of a domino-effect that drove a great many nations into the South-east asian wars.

In other words then Ahmadinejad and the rest of the unenlightened, misogynistic, anti-democratic, anti-religious (except their own) and anti-libertarian leadership of Iran are shaking in their ... pants ? ... of the risk of themselves being ousted and brought to trial for their crimes.

The chinese leadership are fearful of the same (dont mention Tibet and Tianmen Square), but also wants a steady stream of oil as well as basing rights in the gulf. Also Iran are very good customers in the fields of weapons (conventional, chemical and nuclear)

For the last reasons as well as their brand new military base and port in Syria, the Russians support the Syrians ad nauseam.

So OBVIOUSLY and CLEARLY a new killing field. How you could come to another conclusion is beyond me.

Regarding Rwanda then its more a matter of nobody giving a damn about the Rwandans. The sad fact is that most of the world are not moved by another disaster in Africa. They simply switch to another channel ...

As I say: its sad, but thats just the way it is.

So in that respect one can argue that its another killing field, if its the INaction of the surrounding world to end it (Except Vietnam who has balls of steel and has won against anyone who tried to dictate them what to do - including almost all the great Powers).

Regarding Bosnia then its just silly to claim that its disputed:

Moslems killed serbs, Serbs killed a lot more moslems, and China and Russia openly supported Serbia. When the chinese helped the serbs taking down a F-117, in exchange for all the parts, then the americans "accidently" wiped out the chinese embassy with a big air deployed smart bomb.
However it tooks years of ethnic cleansing before the EU and NATO did anything.

Up to that point the UN not only was inept, stupid and openly irrational but also De Facto helped the serbians with their failed "peacekeeping" policies worst of which probably was The Srebrenica "safe area"...

SO for a number of reasons another killing field.

So ... I agree with your statement regading Rwanda, but the rest is just sillyness ... !
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This december in dubia,the U.N. is holding a meeting on internet regulation and control.

The treaty proposed that the meeting was created for,was put forth by russia and china,and Hamadoun Toure is the man suggested to be in charge of it all.

Born in mali,"educated" in russia,and the head of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) of the United Nations,he is also a close friend and colleague of putins.EU telephone companies are also vocal backers of the treaty,well, vocal AFTER if became public knowledge.Until the leaks they were quite mum on the topic.

A synopsis of the treaty can be found on the web,its about 250 pages long,and quite hard to get thru.The highlights are basically :

· The U.N. would distribute and assign all e names

· Each country would be notified of the IP addresses of each email user within its borders (helping China and Russia to track down dissidents)

· The UN could regulate internet content globally

· Every nation would have the right to censor websites that originate within its borders,as it sees fit.

· And every country could charge a tax in the form of a surcharge for access to any websites that originate beyond its borders.

Technically,the meeting is open to all treaty recommendations presented on the topic.The meeting and its goals were originally secret,but info started being leaked around june of this year.

Basically its a censorship and tax program to be run by the U.N.
If your american,heres a petition to sign against it.

http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/806 ... -internet/
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nick-bang wrote:Regarding Bosnia then its just silly to claim that its disputed:

Moslems killed serbs, Serbs killed a lot more moslems, and China and Russia openly supported Serbia. When the chinese helped the serbs taking down a F-117, in exchange for all the parts, then the americans "accidently" wiped out the chinese embassy with a big air deployed smart bomb.
However it tooks years of ethnic cleansing before the EU and NATO did anything.

Up to that point the UN not only was inept, stupid and openly irrational but also De Facto helped the serbians with their failed "peacekeeping" policies worst of which probably was The Srebrenica "safe area"...

SO for a number of reasons another killing field.
Hmm...some of the facts here are... wrong and this goes for Hullu too. NATO bombings of Serbia (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia at the time) and downing of F-117 in 1999 had nothing to do with war in Bosnia that ended in 1995 (Dayton agreement). It was connected with Kosovo war.

It is better to avoid the Yugoslav wars in general in debates like this as they are so f*** up that most of us, that have lived through them, have trouble completly understanding all the crap that happend. Take the war in Bosnia for example, there were three parties involved, Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats. During the 4 years of war you had all combinations of those three fighting each other and two fighting together against the other one. :roll:
NATO did few bombings against Bosnian Serbs sometime after the Srebrenica massacre but all that happened inside Bosnian territory. FR Yugoslavia officialy never declared war neither to Slovenia nor Croatia, nor Bosnia and Herzegovina (as I already said, this is a mess very few can understand without taking serious effort).
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Pakistan elected to human rights council.....

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Sudan elected to the UN's ECOSOC,despite its president be wanted by the ICC on the charges of war crimes and genocide.

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tkobo wrote:Pakistan elected to human rights council.....

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Sudan elected to the UN's ECOSOC,despite its president be wanted by the ICC on the charges of war crimes and genocide.

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whats next iran on the security council
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552 ... -proposal/
Russia backed down somewhat,watering down their original proposal,buts the new form is still horrendous.
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SoB wrote:
tkobo wrote:Pakistan elected to human rights council.....

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Sudan elected to the UN's ECOSOC,despite its president be wanted by the ICC on the charges of war crimes and genocide.

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whats next iran on the security council
Close ... Russia and China are both on the security council - and support any crackpot dictator as long as they can pay for the weapons in gold, blood diamonds, oil or any other worthwhile currency.

Iran is just a puppet for China with their own local domination agenda for the middleeast in general and for the gulf area in particular coupled with a religious crusading mentality that the world havent seen for 500+ years.

But whatever happens in Syria and Iran is sanctioned by China as China obviously have zero reasons to promote democracy, free unions, freedom of speech and religious freedom. Quite the opposite in fact.

Its not brainsurgery really ...
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nick-bang wrote:
SoB wrote:
tkobo wrote:Pakistan elected to human rights council.....

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Sudan elected to the UN's ECOSOC,despite its president be wanted by the ICC on the charges of war crimes and genocide.

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whats next iran on the security council
Close ... Russia and China are both on the security council - and support any crackpot dictator as long as they can pay for the weapons in gold, blood diamonds, oil or any other worthwhile currency.

Iran is just a puppet for China with their own local domination agenda for the middleeast in general and for the gulf area in particular coupled with a religious crusading mentality that the world havent seen for 500+ years.

But whatever happens in Syria and Iran is sanctioned by China as China obviously have zero reasons to promote democracy, free unions, freedom of speech and religious freedom. Quite the opposite in fact.

Its not brainsurgery really ...
Lol what a completely unbiased opinion!!! And then one good argue back that because the dictators agreed with russia and china and the USA wants the oil for itself it supports terrorists than in this case because they are on their side they are called "freedom fighters". While palestinians are terrorists because Israelis are US allies

It is brainsurgery cause you sound a bit brainwashed.
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Word is russia and associates have "abandoned" the treaty proposal completely now...Mind you, this is not solid,and many closed meetings were held and are still being held, with a deadline of dec 12....for something.....Theres still a treaty being worked on,and its still being attempted to be kept from the public...

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as lest it be forgotten,the "gift" from the UN that just keeps on giving...

Cholera ,increased numbers of cholera cases have been reported from Cuba, Haiti and Dominican Republic .Over 300 people have been hospitalized in just the past few days with cholera symptoms in the cities of Tamboril and Santiago,Dominican Republic.Nine provinces of cuba have now reported cases.And of course haiti,with various regions there again reporting an increase in cholera cases.

And as new evidence shows the UN peacekeepers brought cholera to haiti,they continue to deny and blame others.
"We now know that the strain of cholera in Haiti is an exact match for the strain of cholera in Nepal."
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juanezos wrote:
nick-bang wrote:
SoB wrote: whats next iran on the security council
Close ... Russia and China are both on the security council - and support any crackpot dictator as long as they can pay for the weapons in gold, blood diamonds, oil or any other worthwhile currency.

Iran is just a puppet for China with their own local domination agenda for the middleeast in general and for the gulf area in particular coupled with a religious crusading mentality that the world havent seen for 500+ years.

But whatever happens in Syria and Iran is sanctioned by China as China obviously have zero reasons to promote democracy, free unions, freedom of speech and religious freedom. Quite the opposite in fact.

Its not brainsurgery really ...
Lol what a completely unbiased opinion!!! And then one good argue back that because the dictators agreed with russia and china and the USA wants the oil for itself it supports terrorists than in this case because they are on their side they are called "freedom fighters". While palestinians are terrorists because Israelis are US allies

It is brainsurgery cause you sound a bit brainwashed.
This is neither a kindergarden nor a politically correct forum for Newspeak.

Who cares if my statements are biased. The only relevant and rationally interesting factor is wheter they are true and in accordance with the facts as they present themselves.
Which obviously they are.

You are more than wellcome to have another position, but with all due respect: without real and factbased arguments its just another motor running on idle in a debate that needs no more.

Regarding your input:

1) WHO gives a flying rats a** what some of the crackpot dictators in question feels, thinks and believes. They as persons are complete insignificant and would indeed best facilitate a trancendence to a better state for their states as well as the people of said states, by a speedy and permanent termination of their presence along with their lives.

If you had actually bothered to follow the politics of the region, then you would have noticed that the USA have tried their best to stay OUT of the mess. Something they were blamed for by both european and middle-east states alike.
France, Turkey and Italy have taken a far more activist line - and NOT just for oil. So have Saudiarabia, UAE and Kuwait - and they quite obviously dont need any oil !!!!

Its an outdated postion which simply are not in line with the facts!

That China through Iran and thus through Syria etc. have supported and still support Terrorists and dictators have been well documented numerous times, but UN as the impotent and feeble institution cannot do anything about it because of the VETO.

The individual countries refrain from commenting too freely on it as well as on Chinas obvious and flagrant disregard for the most basic democratic principles as well as their complete disregard for patents, copyrights and trade rights, because they dont want to rock the economic boat too much.

But that doesnt change the basic facts.

As for the statement regarding "freedom fighters", then let me make something perfectly clear:

Someone who deliberately targets women and children are not "freedom fighters". They are murdering and primitive irrational bastards who deserve to be put down as the mad dogs and terrorist scum they are.

There is a OBVIOUS difference between a REAL freedom fighter who targets military and governmental structures, personnel and infrastructure in a somewhat coordinated and organized fashion observing at least some rules, and the scum described above.
Just as there is a HUGE difference between between terrorists and a national army who under military, national and international law conduct military operations who SADLY might incur civilian casualties during their opearations.

If you cant see the difference, then I have neither the patience nor inclination to explain it to you at any greater length...
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UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon accepted a gift of an armored hyundai sedan from South Korea recently......standard working rules for UN employees is that they cannot accept gifts from governments....When asked if the UN would hold a press conference and explain this,the answer was a simple "no".
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tkobo wrote:UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon accepted a gift of an armored hyundai sedan from South Korea recently......standard working rules for UN employees is that they cannot accept gifts from governments....When asked if the UN would hold a press conference and explain this,the answer was a simple "no".
Actually judging from the last few general secretaries, then the standard working rules of UN is that Corruption is only a crime if caught - and only then if its really REALLY bad. Just take the little man from Ghana Kofi A. Annan who not only was corrupt to the core but ALSO had a son of below-average intelligence but above-average inclination for corruption. For an african...
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As others have pointed out in the past ,they really are a prime example of organized crime.
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and before i forget, cholera cases are now appearing in havanna again.
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ahhh, the old non-apology apology :lol:

Good thing waldheims gone,they might have had to non-apologize for a singing of the horst wessel song.....
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