War Weary

[GIJoe597]

I encountered something today I have seen before. I am playing Trump Rising, 2017 Sandbox as USA.

Around Jul, 2019, I declared war on the terrorists in the islamic state. This is the first and only war we have been in. I had 98% Cassus Beli. We invade via former Syrian lands, pushed in about 200 kms and dug in, waiting on an Air Base and Barracks to be built in Alladhigiyah. I have modern Mech Inf, M2A4 bradley, M1A3 Abrams and M901E Losat ATs. My tech level is #1 in the world and I am currently researching techs around the 2030 level and Maint/Train/Pay is maxed for military. The current date is Oct 1, 2019.

My units are being absolutely eaten alive by the terrorists. It takes approx 1 whole "stack" of Mech Inf to equal 1 terrorist unit, and even then, I have to repair at least 5 of the Bradleys. It is absolutely insane and one needs a 20 to 1 ratio to combat these terrorist units. These same units have wiped out 8 of my high tech Multi-roles. It is truly astonishing. One of the very few times I have been absolutely frustrated with the game. But that is not what I am posting about.

On Sep 26, 2019 I received a message my population was war weary. Really, after 2 months? I honestly have never received this message before, maybe its new, maybe I have been lucky, I dunno. But both my DAR and MAR dropped to 1% in Oct 2019. What?

[number47]

Check my posts from here down... there is an obvious bug with ISIS and Kurdistan Morale and Efficiency stats

And that brings us to your war weary problem...you sustained to much casualties while inflicting none and people are pissed

[GIJoe597]

I was aware of how strong they were, but I was able to handle them previously. They were still in their original area when I tackled them before. This time they are spread from "Syria" to "Pakistan". This is the first time I have had to deal with them when they are this large. It is unwinnable. The combination of War Weary(after 2 months) and low DAR/MAR has me being thrown out of the mid east. I landed with 200 land units, 14 FB-22 Delta Raptors, 14 BBs and Destroyers and I am being destroyed. Now my units are surrendering to the terrorists, abso*&^&^%$ unwinnable. I finally understand what ya'll have been typing.

I would not be so frustrated if this stupid War Weary crap had not destroyed my DAR/MAR in 2 freaking months...

[evildari]

Maybe the issue is not with higher morale stats right from the start. But one could check the OOB if there is such a data entry...
I think it is rather linked to major and / or consecutive wins / kills in battle.
Once this happens (can happen with any region and its opponents) the losing side's units are surrendering extremely fast, sometimes i think without even one shot fired !
And for the worse: no matter how large and powerful the opponent is (..at least factor 10 in all important values..) that has lost this early battles, can not recover.
I did not report this as bug or issue - since i saw it happen in my own mod.

Unfortunately in a very extreme way (short AAR of me being owned in my own mod):
A backstabbing france who had quit the local superiority at the german-french border, won a lot of the initial battles vs garrison and light guard troops, and even gained a few hundreds KM2.
While the german armies in africa, middle and far east were recalled.
These battle hardened veteran troops (some had 3 digit kills and had even a few techlevels more than their french counterparts - and in my mod that meant around 30-40% more in attack - defence and even a little more combat time) surrendered to the only slightly experienced and technological inferior french troops once contact was made.

I was already thinking about the fanatism rating in the CVP file.. but according to some wiki its just for some religious fanatism (doubt that this is implented in the game) - or is it the will to fight ?
I wish there will be at least a lobby option in military for new game "No surrendering" ,"No experience bonus" ,"No morale bonus".

Since then i start always with the "Limit DAR/MAR effects" option - did not yet reach a similar situation to see if that would help - i just hope.

Another thing could be a loop that strenghtens itself-
Low MAR -> higher chance for units to surrender earlier -> surrender or death -> lower MAR ->and again...