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Re: Supreme Ruler 2033

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Hullu Hevonen wrote:I have been coining stuff like Age of Tension, because the point with the mod will be that you might be able to stave off war or encourage it. Tipping point could be something or something with like it :), Beyond 2020 is too simple/unspecific :P . Hmm, End of an Era was relatively easy since it represents the end or beginning of an new and it was history based.

EDIT: Or I could go with something simple like Hullu's mod, when thinking on fistails idea
It's actually a theme from Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power By Zbigniew Brzezinski
The books primary theme is the resulting world balance after the slow decline of american power. There's actually a chapter called beyond 2025 but i figured 2020 worked better given the history of the series. :wink:

(also a decent read even though it does skimp on specifics and details a bit more than it should. By that I mean he could have really done full chapters about many subjects he barely brushed apon, and overall the book feels like it should have been 2 or 3x longer)

He actually had a small section about Russia attempting to annex ukraine.. didn't happen exactly as he suggested but very close.
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:I have been coining stuff like Age of Tension, because the point with the mod will be that you might be able to stave off war or encourage it. Tipping point could be something or something with like it :), Beyond 2020 is too simple/unspecific :P . Hmm, End of an Era was relatively easy since it represents the end or beginning of an new and it was history based.

EDIT: Or I could go with something simple like Hullu's mod, when thinking on fistails idea
Well that could work with the naming. I wouldn't take too long to think of a name idea till the very end when everything is finished and the mod is all ready to go. Just saying. :)
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Yeah, well I'm not home currently, so thought I might try to crack the nut while I'm not able to mod :D
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:Yeah, well I'm not home currently, so thought I might try to crack the nut while I'm not able to mod :D
So you're thinking of names while you're away? Smart thing to do, so you can get that part finished.
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S.R.L1234 wrote:
Hullu Hevonen wrote:Yeah, well I'm not home currently, so thought I might try to crack the nut while I'm not able to mod :D
So you're thinking of names while you're away? Smart thing to do, so you can get that part finished.
Yup :)
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:
S.R.L1234 wrote:
Hullu Hevonen wrote:Yeah, well I'm not home currently, so thought I might try to crack the nut while I'm not able to mod :D
So you're thinking of names while you're away? Smart thing to do, so you can get that part finished.
Yup :)
Smart. :) Hope to eventually see a name that's good when you come up with it and come back. :D
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I really hope to see this awesome mod by the end of the summer. Because once school starts again, I might have almost no opportunity to play it. D: even be the first to download this too, like when I begged my parents to download SR1936. I wonder how the progress is going. :-)
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The progress is going, but I tend to be optimistic when estimating, I have been working on the tech three, it will take me more time than I thought to finish it. Can't guarantee it'll be ready before the summers end :/, but I'll do best to finish it in time :)
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:The progress is going, but I tend to be optimistic when estimating, I have been working on the tech three, it will take me more time than I thought to finish it. Can't guarantee it'll be ready before the summers end :/, but I'll do best to finish it in time :)
For the tech tree then, you said till 2100? Would you involve new techs that even SR1936 hasn't seen yet? :D
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S.R.L1234 wrote:
Hullu Hevonen wrote:The progress is going, but I tend to be optimistic when estimating, I have been working on the tech three, it will take me more time than I thought to finish it. Can't guarantee it'll be ready before the summers end :/, but I'll do best to finish it in time :)
For the tech tree then, you said till 2100? Would you involve new techs that even SR1936 hasn't seen yet? :D
Expanded tech tree with completely new tech and units, the goal is to have tech until 2100ish if anyone wants to play that long :D
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Hullu Hevonen wrote:
S.R.L1234 wrote:
Hullu Hevonen wrote:The progress is going, but I tend to be optimistic when estimating, I have been working on the tech three, it will take me more time than I thought to finish it. Can't guarantee it'll be ready before the summers end :/, but I'll do best to finish it in time :)
For the tech tree then, you said till 2100? Would you involve new techs that even SR1936 hasn't seen yet? :D
Expanded tech tree with completely new tech and units, the goal is to have tech until 2100ish if anyone wants to play that long :D
Hearing you'll do it that long, I might try that. :) I have another idea for an extra event if people get here for your story:
2080's: Mexico demands Southwest land from US to reform it's old empire. Will they cave in or will a 2nd Mexican-American War start
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S.R.L1234 wrote:...
I have been coining the Idea of a 2nd American Mexican war, but that it is launched from an internal strive event in which mexico get itself involved in since it is basically an uprising of the less fortunate against the more fortunate and alot of Hispanics are among those joining the uprising.
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I bet then I see a reason to see the 2036 American Hispanic Uprising them as an event.
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AND here's my Ukraine prediction so far :P
Ukraine
Ukraine lost Crimea in 2014 to the Russian Federation, due to a crisis with Gov change in Kiev. After which Ukraine bitterly struggled with economic reforms, putting down unrest all over Ukraine, at first in the East. When economic austerity started to bite, the unrest spread to Kiev and all over Ukraine. Elections in 2015 gave the presidentship to a Pro-Russian candidate, but the parlmament became divided into factions of Nationalists, Socialists, Pro-Western and Pro-Russian factions. The President managed to settle the eastern regions by giving them language rights among other. The economic uproar forced snap elections in early 2017. Governments changed hands many times since 2014, until the Army intervened with the support of the Nationalists 2022. The army and the Nationalists aligned with the west they stabilized the economy with force, the countries GDP plumeted -13% in 2022. The economy started to slowly recover, this was acheaved with IMF loans and EU bailouts. In 2024 Ukraine started to rearm for an eventual war with Russia. Things turned south however in 2029 with the Great Depression, tension started to build up prematurely with Russia and ties was formally severed, along with an still recovering economy. Ukraine has never given up the claim to Crimea.
I think you don’t understand clearly the situation in Ukraine.
Ukraine lost Crimea in 2014 to the Russian Federation, due to a crisis with Gov change in Kiev.
It’s not quite so. Government change in Kiev wasn’t the REASON to lose Crimea. It was the right MOTIVE (occasion) for the Russians to create such circumstances in Crimea to annex it as the result of the long-planned operation by Russian government against Ukraine (e.g., ex-Russian protégés in Ukrainian state security and military services, Russians Black Sea Navy based in Sevastopol, intentionally created problem by pro-Russian politicians on the basis of Ukrainian and Russian languages, black schemes with Russian gas supply to Ukraine, propagation of pro-Russian parties, issuing Russian passports, economy destabilization, corruption growth, etc.). You can find several similar Russian actions in Transnistria, Georgia (South Ossetia and Abkhazia), Afghanistan. And the main reason for Government change in Ukraine was the people’s revolution of honor (like the unsuccessful Prague Spring in 1968) to overthrow pro-Russian corrupt criminal regime of Yanukovich – the doll in the Putin’s hands. The problem was that Ukrainian people are leaning to pro-Western model but Yanukovich’s criminal regime leaned to pro-Putin’s regime. Ukrainian former president Yanukovich and his criminals shamefully ran to Russia and still hide there trading state secrets to Moscow and sponsor terrorists on the east. They are the same evil with Putin’s regime.
putting down unrest all over Ukraine, at first in the East
What are you talking about? There is no unrest all over Ukraine and definitely will never be.
All Ukrainian people are as one monolith now against Russian aggression and invasion. Those unrests all over Ukraine which occurred in February were brief parts of people’s revolution of honor during the government change. There are no even prerequisites for any unrest, maybe rare single small demonstrations (most of which were paid from outside specially for Russian media to show the chaos in Ukraine). All state institutions work in a regular mode. Another situation is in some areas in the East (Lugansk and Donetsk) – patrimony of Yanukovich mafiosi family and his former ruling party. Many citizens of this region are under strong Russian’s propaganda. This region is full of Russian regular forces without identification marks, recruited insurgents by Russian special services and terrorists still sponsored by former pro-Russian Yanukovich regime and Russian government that supplies military equipment to these terrorists. They control state buildings and destroy infrastructure showing such pictures for Russian medias and declares that Ukrainian forces do that. Putin created this situation as pseudo internal rebel, like a civil war but actually it is not the civil war, it is the part of Putin’s plan, some kind of NEW type of hybrid war against pro-Western governments of neighbor countries.
When economic austerity started to bite, the unrest spread to Kiev and all over Ukraine.
Possible, but not in large scales. Maybe single demonstrations. I don’t see prerequisites for that.
Most Ukrainian people are more concerned about cynical Russian aggression and invasion.
Most Ukrainian people are engaged in supporting, sponsoring and recovering of their military forces to resist Russian invasion. Economic problems are not the main. Ukrainian people see their rescue in European Union, US and other NATO countries and hope for their support. Ukrainian people are peaceful and just want to defend their territory. Ukraine refused voluntarily from its nuclear weapon (third in the world) in 1994 in accordance with Budapest Memorandum for the guarantee of their security and sovereignty by the US, UK and Russia. So you can see the real face of Russian dictatorship government.
Elections in 2015 gave the presidentship to a Pro-Russian candidate, but the parlmament became divided into factions of Nationalists, Socialists, Pro-Western and Pro-Russian factions.
Sorry, but you don’t know the current situation. Presidential elections were already held in Ukraine on 25 May 2014 resulting pro-Western Petro Poroshenko confident win (approx 55%), pro-Western Tymoshenko scored 12%, pro-Western Hrytsenko 6% and pro-European radical 8% (Lyashko). Two pro-Russian candidates scored together about 8%, communist 4%, all nationalists candidates scored together less then 2%. So you see there are no prerequisites and chances neither for pro-Russian nor for nationalists factions. Communists were excluded later from the Parliament for state treason.

A snap election to the Parliament of Ukraine will be held on 26 October 2014. So, on my opinion, general results for factions will be the following: pro-Western – 60%, nationalists – 10%, pro-Russian – 5%, other – 25%.
The President managed to settle the eastern regions by giving them language rights among other.
In accordance with current Ukrainian laws actually from 2012 and up to the current moment all regions have their language rights. That is all speculations about this language subject, the part of Moscow plans to provoke the artificial internal rebel (civil war) in Russian language speaking regions as Crimea and East (Lugansk and Donetsk) and to have an additional occasion for Moscow to justify annex of Crimea and support of terrorists in the eastern border.
The economic uproar forced snap elections in early 2017. Governments changed hands many times since 2014
I agree with economic problems (due to dependence from Russian gas and oil, destroyed coil mines in the East) but I think it will not cause neither snap presidential nor snap parliament elections. As I said before – single demonstrations may occur.
until the Army intervened with the support of the Nationalists 2022.
It’s a complete nonsense, blah. See my comments above. All nationalists candidates scored together less then 2% (see wiki), even Jewish candidate Vadim Rabinovich scored 6% on the latest Presidential election. There are no prospects neither for nationalism nor fascism nor Nazism in Ukraine. It’s just the tales of Russian propaganda. Joseph Goebbels quietly smokes on the sideline in comparison to Putin’s propaganda machine throughout the world. I think that such your judgment appeared due to Putin’s media propaganda that calls every Ukrainian patriot (loves his homeland) as nationalist! So such your scenario for Ukraine ruled by nationalists is impossible.
The army and the Nationalists aligned with the west they stabilized the economy with force, the countries GDP plumeted -13% in 2022. The economy started to slowly recover, this was acheaved with IMF loans and EU bailouts.
Agree. But such economic recover will not be an achievement of some nationalists. I would say better the pro-Western national government with the support of IMF, EU and the US.
Ukraine has never given up the claim to Crimea
Agree, Ukraine will NEVER give up the claim to Crimea. Even from historic point of view Russia does not deserve any rights to Crimea. They have brought nothing good to Crimea, only suffering and devastation. Tatars and Ukrainians have more rights on Crimea then Russia. The truth is that there is no such nation as Crimean people, Russians are 58%, Ukrainians are 24%, Tatars are 12% (87,8% in 1793, two massive waives of emigrations in 1790th and 1850th due to oppression of the Russian administration and land expropriation, then Soviet red terror and famine in late 1917-1923 and deportation in 1944).
In 2024 Ukraine started to rearm for an eventual war with Russia.
Actually, Ukraine has already started in 2014 to rearm against current aggression and invasion of Russia.

See my more likely scenarios for Ukraine.

1st more believable – it is the start of Third World War in 2014 against Russia, afterward joins Belarus, Syria, maybe China (but I have very big doubts, it’s better stay neutral for China to get cheap Russian oil and gas after world isolation of Russia or join alliance against Russia to get neighbor territories rich of oil and gas with little efforts). By the way, despite that Kazakhstan and Russia are tied by the Customs union, I think that Kazakhstan will be subjected to the Russian aggression in the same way as Ukraine in the near future. The latest news from Russia and Kazakhstan give me the reason to think so. It means that I don’t think Kazakhstan will join to Russia.

2nd scenario – static world isolation of Russia with embargoes and different sanctions, exclusion from UN and as the result – new North Korea, economic stagnation and democracy revolution after 2030…2040. Western world continue to provide Ukraine with economic and military support. Ukraine becomes EU member in 2020 and NATO member in 2025 BUT … for a very high price for Ukraine – 100k military casualties, Russian terrorists conquer eastern (Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv) and south regions (Kherson) of Ukraine making land connection to Crimea, worst – even Odessa to make land connection to Transnistria. Russia creates a new puppet independent republic named Novorossiya, like Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria. Unlike to Crimea, Russia will not annex Novorossiya, showing to the rest world that they have good intentions to support the struggle for independence of fictional people’s of Novorossiya! On the beginning Ukraine will also be very suffering from Russian sabotage missions against industrial complexes up to the moment of recovering its own counter-espionage forces. Meanwhile, in order to avoid high economic losses caused by breaking off economic ties with Russia, the rest of Western world do not enter in an open military confrontation with Russia, but the whole world supports Ukraine and its desire to freedom and pro-Western bearing, especially their best partners Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and the US. So up to 2020…2030 free Ukraine will become the strong industrial and agricultural part of EU and NATO.

3rd scenario – very similar to 2nd except of Ukrainian forces will prevent Russian invasion, eliminate Russian terrorists on the east in 2015, recover east regions and strengthen the border with Russian Federation. Russia will still be subjected to sanctions from the rest of world but these sanctions will not be very critical and harm. Russia will stay the UN member but its world reputation will stay awful. Crimea will stay occupied by Russia up to the democracy revolution in 2030…2040 against Putin’s dictatorship regime and economic stagnation. Europe will slowly get rid of the Russian gas and oil dependence. Up to 2020…2030 Ukraine will become the strong industrial and agricultural part of EU and NATO.


Actually, I’m playing SR2020-GC for more than 2 years and consider this game as the best and interested I ever played and now I’ve finally decided to register at BG forum. I’ve been working under my own Real World Mode for SR2020-GC (quality photos and names of current world leaders, real economic situation, production capacities and resources, real military complexes, bases and current military forces, corrections and addition real cities and villages, units, political situation and relations, etc.). So I spend a lot of time studying information about every country, it's very interesting and useful. As for me I like it better to play in real world environment so I don’t consider any other scenarios, campaigns or mods. The problem is that SR1936 gives more opportunities for real world mod than SR2020 so I’m studying the possibility to create such real world mod for SR1936 and would like to propose my support and join to everybody who will head creation of such mod. I think we need to find a leader to coordinate the creation of the best real world mod for SR1936 between all fans and volunteers.
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