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Re: Unit Errata

#16 Post by Balthagor » Dec 15 2013

Zuikaku wrote:J-38 75mm towed AT gun and
J-90 75mm towed AT gun

are available to build after research of "Improved main guns" tech prereq, but without need to research the unit type itself. So, basically, after prereq tech have been researched, you get these AT guns for free - without need to research them...
From what region? How did you test this? Starting as Japan you already know the tech and both those designs and starting as another region you don't have access to those designs...
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Re: Unit Errata

#17 Post by Aragos » Dec 15 2013

Germany has as one of its national units, the Hai Yung class DD.

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Re: Unit Errata

#18 Post by Zuikaku » Dec 15 2013

Balthagor wrote:
Zuikaku wrote:J-38 75mm towed AT gun and
J-90 75mm towed AT gun

are available to build after research of "Improved main guns" tech prereq, but without need to research the unit type itself. So, basically, after prereq tech have been researched, you get these AT guns for free - without need to research them...
From what region? How did you test this? Starting as Japan you already know the tech and both those designs and starting as another region you don't have access to those designs...
You are right - they are available from the start. Didn't noticed them untill 1939 gameplay time. Anyway, it is wrong having them. Japanese did not have 75mm AT guns until late '44.
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Re: Unit Errata

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Re: Unit Errata

#20 Post by Zuikaku » Dec 15 2013

My wrong - confused these with 75mm type 3 tank gun (Chi-Nu tank) and 75mm type 5 tank gun (Chi-To and Chi-Ri tanks). :oops: BTW too bad these tanks are missing from the database - they would nicely fill the japanese late war-'50s tank unit tree.

Although, J-38 was not primarly employed as AT gun - it was artillery peace. J-90 was employed as AT gun rather than artillery....
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Re: Unit Errata

#21 Post by Balthagor » Dec 15 2013

They built 2 and 1 respectively of Chi-To and Chi-Ri. We can consider adding those for an update post release.
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Re: Unit Errata

#22 Post by Zuikaku » Dec 15 2013

Balthagor wrote:They built 2 and 1 respectively of Chi-To and Chi-Ri. We can consider adding those for an update post release.
Thanks, that would be very nice :-) Not to mention that it would keep Japan competitive in tank tech after 1945...

I would also recomend adding italian:
P.40 tank ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carro_Armato_P_40 )
P.43 heavy tank

(I can not see them in unit database)
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Re: Unit Errata

#23 Post by Balthagor » Dec 15 2013

Hmm, missed those.

P.40 should be in before release.
P.43 is a candidate for post-release update content.
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Re: Unit Errata

#24 Post by Zuikaku » Dec 16 2013

Unfortunatelly, there are few more units missing:

A7M - advanced japanese carrier fighter, planned replacement for Zero ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A7M )

J7W - advanced japanese canard fighter (both jet and piston engine versions are missing) - ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W )

Nakajima G5N - heavy bomber is also missing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_G5N )

B7N torpedo bomber is missing although it was operational and produced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_B7A)

Do-335 heavy fighter is missing although it's production started ( https://www.google.hr/?gws_rd=cr&ei=Pta ... g#q=do-335 )

Ho-229 flying wing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229 )

Me-264 heavy bomber ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264 )


I'm thinking about starting separate thread for missing units and hypothetical units that should be used to fill axis unit tree . The way it is now, German, Italian and Japanese unit tree lacks units from 1945-1960 period. While this is understandable since they lost the war and were not allowed to develop units, we must think about the gameplay and in game situations where theay are not defeated. And is , for example, Japan survives WW2 it will become very handicaped in gameplay due lack of any post-WW2 units.
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Re: Unit Errata Artillery

#25 Post by geminif4ucorsair » Dec 16 2013

Balthagor wrote:The Supreme Ruler series uses standardized artillery ranges based on gun size;
artilleryranges.jpg
This is one of the abstractions we have chosen to make to make gameplay more understandable.

If there is certain technologies at play, we could decrease the base values and add techs which increase the ranges accordingly, but that would affect all types of ballistic artillery units.

Anything < 105 is currently given 18km. With a 16km hex size, anything less is problematic.
Also remember, the default game settings use "enhanced ranges".
This does not work well with early-generation artillery - WW One and into late-40s types - because the ranges are so different from what was
established with this chart, as part of the 2020-series, because a 152mm gun of 1910 or so, has no range comparable with 152mm D-1, which is more represented here.

My own preference is to play SR-CW (1949) with both (Enhanced Spotting and Enhanced Ranges) removed under Player Option's.....it at least prevents such technologies as Copperhead and other enhanced range-type round - all issued to armies as a small percentages (due to cost) - in standard artillery round supply reserves.
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Re: Unit Errata - NO missing units - thread not needed !

#26 Post by geminif4ucorsair » Dec 16 2013

Zuikaku wrote:Unfortunatelly, there are few more units missing:
A7M - advanced japanese carrier fighter, planned replacement for Zero ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A7M )
J7W - advanced japanese canard fighter (both jet and piston engine versions are missing) - ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W )
Nakajima G5N - heavy bomber is also missing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_G5N )
B7N torpedo bomber is missing although it was operational and produced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_B7A)
Do-335 heavy fighter is missing although it's production started ( https://www.google.hr/?gws_rd=cr&ei=Pta ... g#q=do-335 )
Ho-229 flying wing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229 )
Me-264 heavy bomber ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264 )

Im thinking about starting separate thread for missing units and hypothetical units that should be used to fill axis unit tree . The way it is now, German, Italian and Japanese unit tree lacks units from 1945-1960 period. While this is understandable since they lost the war and were not allowed to develop units, we must think about the gameplay and in game situations where theay are not defeated. And is , for example, Japan survives WW2 it will become very handicaped in gameplay due lack of any post-WW2 units.
DON'T start such a thread!!! [in my view....]
None of the above are missing in the SR-1936 in my work copy master data base (mdb) at-the-moment.

In addition, you will notice in the bata that some aircraft entries do not even show a model type, i.e. B-17 Fortress....is it a B-17C/D, B-17E
or late-model B-17G (?)....only clue is the that of availability, but its not important in the beta edition.

What you are seeing on the beta is a small download done by Bathagor several months ago and was a limited extraction of units, just to get units associated with regions, on the beta. [That's my interpretation, anyway]

In response to another post, regarding the Arado AR-234 Blitz series, there are 8-versions (YES, EIGHT) in the forthcoming data base!
EXAMPLES:
* Ar-234D (UNITID#10748
* Ar-234C-1 (#13406)
* Ar-234C-5 AEW (#13407)
* Ar-234C-7N Nachjager (#9085)
* Ar-234A-01/-1 Blitz Bomber (#10048)
* Ar-234C-3 (#10747)
* Ar-234C-6
* Ar-234F-1 Blitz Bomber III
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Specific to your Japanese aircraft, they - including several versions in some cases - are in the MDB.

Just be patient. Am sure Bathagor will download them all for the eventual game prior to release.

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Re: Unit Errata - NO missing units - thread not needed !

#27 Post by Zuikaku » Dec 16 2013

geminif4ucorsair wrote:
DON'T start such a thread!!! [in my view....]
None of the above are missing in the SR-1936 in my work copy master data base (mdb) at-the-moment.

In addition, you will notice in the bata that some aircraft entries do not even show a model type, i.e. B-17 Fortress....is it a B-17C/D, B-17E
or late-model B-17G (?)....only clue is the that of availability, but its not important in the beta edition.

What you are seeing on the beta is a small download done by Bathagor several months ago and was a limited extraction of units, just to get units associated with regions, on the beta. [That's my interpretation, anyway]

In response to another post, regarding the Arado AR-234 Blitz series, there are 8-versions (YES, EIGHT) in the forthcoming data base!
EXAMPLES:
* Ar-234D (UNITID#10748
* Ar-234C-1 (#13406)
* Ar-234C-5 AEW (#13407)
* Ar-234C-7N Nachjager (#9085)
* Ar-234A-01/-1 Blitz Bomber (#10048)
* Ar-234C-3 (#10747)
* Ar-234C-6
* Ar-234F-1 Blitz Bomber III
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Specific to your Japanese aircraft, they - including several versions in some cases - are in the MDB.

Just be patient. Am sure Bathagor will download them all for the eventual game prior to release.

That is a great news :-) hope that you have also fixed issues with some aircrafts which are not shown as carrier capable (like B5N at the moment).

Did you also included german Type XXIII elektktro boat and Type XVII and Type XVIII Wankel closed cycle U- boots?

Unfortunatelly, I'm less familiar with planned italian designs so I do not know which units to propose - Land, naval or air :-(
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Re: Unit Errata

#28 Post by Balthagor » Dec 16 2013

It should be noted that not all of gemini's suggestions pass into the finished product. Any shortcomings are certainly of our doing.
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Re: Unit Errata - Submarines

#29 Post by geminif4ucorsair » Dec 16 2013

Did you also included german Type XXIII elektktro boat and Type XVII and Type XVIII Wankel closed cycle U- boots?
The Type XX1 (U-2321), Type XXVII B (U-5001 / Type 127 Seehund) are included (but have to finish rating them out fully); Type XVIII
is not yet included. It would be likely four to five years distant from the end of WW 2, and of course the Russians grabbed the technology and it appeared a decade later (and not overly successful...but given the differences in German vs Russian technology practices, one might expect more success from German efforts.). Some regions submarines are not fully rated out as yet...but, will take a look at for inclusion.

Their entry, of course, depends if Bathagor accepts their inclusion.

BG has tended not to include small, coastal submarines in the past, but did include the Seehund design because it is a dangerous submarine for "area" waters, such as the North, Mediterranean and Baltic Sea, though less likely to ever sail in open Atlantic waters (unless operated by Portugal, Iceland or other 'second' user region. There are other rather small subs, with high performance, that are also in Japanese and Italian design - the latter certainly will be in the game.

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Re: Unit Errata - B4N, B5N, B5M

#30 Post by geminif4ucorsair » Dec 16 2013

Japanese B4N and B5N were carrier capable
Both B4N1 and B5N1 (#10632) plus B5N2 (#10032) (Kate) are included....all carrier capable.
And, the lesser-known Mitsubishi B5M (#10669)......also, carrier-capable.

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