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Re: Unit Errata

#496 Post by Nerei » Feb 05 2020

Uriens wrote:
Feb 05 2020
SGTscuba wrote:
Feb 05 2020
Nerei wrote:
Feb 05 2020
Looking at the wikipedia article and checking the stats of the Šumadija 262mm MLRS I would say that it is not really wrong as much as it is BG going with a specific loadout for the unit. In this case most likely 12 262mm rockets instead of 4 400mm.
That is really the problem with way the game handles equipment that support multiple types of ordnance.

A good example of a similar issue is the M270A1 MLRS or M142 HIMARS in that we could argue that they should have a 300km range as both can launch the MGM-140 ATACMS. BG However is assuming they are firing basic M26 rockets.
The ATACMS missile is a missile design of its own in game though, and they do give the M270 a missile capacity to use these in lieu of its normal attack capability, I think this is a reasonable way around the problem without having 2 different units with different stats.
If i'm following this correctly you are suggesting to use missile design to complement to 'mimick' Jerina 1 missile while using normal attacks to as Jerina 2? I can see what you mean there but making a missile Jerina 1 would allow all missile launchers to be able to use them. I don't see how you can make them launchable from specific launcher only.
That is a problem with the engine in general. You can buy the P-700 Granit/SS-N 19 Shipwreck design as the US and load it onto say an Arleigh Burke which is physically impossible but totally possible in-game. You could also take a Topol-M Tel and cram like 6 ATACMS onto it or you can bring a SCUD on top of one variant of the SS-27 Topol missile. That would not be possible either but the game allows it.

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Re: Unit Errata

#497 Post by Uriens » Feb 06 2020

BTR-90 should have maximum speed of 100k/h (70k/h currently in game) and operational range of 800km (610km currently in game).

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Re: Unit Errata

#498 Post by Uriens » Feb 06 2020

Also BTR-94 should have maximum speed of 85km/h and operational range of 600km. It would seem that this unit was given BTR-90 mobility values.

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Re: Unit Errata

#499 Post by milivoje02 » Feb 06 2020

Nerei wrote:
Feb 05 2020
Looking at the wikipedia article and checking the stats of the Šumadija 262mm MLRS I would say that it is not really wrong as much as it is BG going with a specific loadout for the unit. In this case most likely 12 262mm rockets instead of 4 400mm.
That is really the problem with way the game handles equipment that support multiple types of ordnance.

A good example of a similar issue is the M270A1 MLRS or M142 HIMARS in that we could argue that they should have a 300km range as both can launch the MGM-140 ATACMS. BG However is assuming they are firing basic M26 rockets.


That said for the attack stats the 12x262mm is probably going to be better. Again going by the wikipedia article the 400mm rockets carry a 200kg warhead.
4x200kg is not really that much.
For comparison a BM-30 Smerch has 12 300mm rockets each with a roughly 250kg warhead. From what I remember each of the 12 M26 rockets of a M270 has around 190kg of submunitions. Even using the M31A1 GMLRS rockets the M270 can fire somewhere around 40-50% more warhead weight.

The range of these rockets are however not even remotely comparable and if I where guess I would say the 400mm rockets are made with range not payload in mind.


As for solution BG have added the above mentioned ATACMS as a missile unit. It might also be an option to have the Jerina I as a missile unit and keeping the launcher at 262mm.
It is not a perfect solution no but it would fit with how BG have added the ATACMS and it would give region group X a SSM missile unit. Currently there are no missile units available from 1967 to 2049.

Personally I would also say that as a 21st century rocket artillery the Šumadija with most likely 12x262mm rockets it really does not hit hard enough.
Balthagor wrote:
Jan 29 2020
Made a few adjustments, would be good for us to come back to this again when doing more corrections...
Here is a question with regards to more thorough corrections. Sometime ago you renamed your J-99 light to represent the Type 10 MBT. Now the stats are not exactly accurate for that given that you are repurposing a roughly 20 tonne light tank to represent a more modern 40-48 tonne MBT.
How thorough suggestions do you want?
Also given that you now have both have a real world and a fictive J-10 are you interested in suggestions to make the names more in line with real world naming conventions?
This essentially raises the issue of unit upgrades. Because 60% od world army equipment is upgrade. Not the production of new ones but upgrading old ones. Like endless upgrading ot tank T 72,plane F 16,plane mig 29...
As for Šumadija are concerned, the primary variant has been as a 400mm calibar with range of 285-km. Because beside her are also presented Tamnava with range od 70 km 264mm,Morava 122mm range of 40km. Generally a major modernization was done in the artillery field in Serbian army.

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Re: Unit Errata

#500 Post by milivoje02 » Feb 18 2020

Correction for production of land desings: add to Serbia prodcution capasity units:
4741 B-52K1 Nora 155mm----Production had start in 2006.140 pieces are manufactured for export 4 bateries for domestic use. 140 peases Serbia sell to Bangladesh,Cyprus,Kenya,Myanmmar.
2302 M-84A4 Sniper tank was in 2004 was intended for production and modernization.
2329 M-84D tank corection name to M-84AS 2010 conditions for production were achieved,The whole force of 260 tanks is in proces of upgraded to this variant
663 BVT SR-8808 Lazar 2008 enter in prodution. domestic use in Serbian army and Police force Zandarmerija.
761 BVT SR-8811 Lazar II enter in use in 2011 domestic use in Serbian army and Police force Zandarmerija. Now lazar 3 has come into use,new unit(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_3)
3362 BOV-1 M-53 POLO 96 pieces are in use in Serbian army.

In game the products of Serbia remained in the 80s,and from 2000 to 2017 changes have taken place,the ones I listed. A good portion of them were produced for export.
These changes should have been implemented 8 years ago in Suprem Ruler 2020. So it would be nice to at least do in Suprem Ruler Ultimate.
I would ask devolopers to do this. thanks in advance.

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Re: Unit Errata

#501 Post by Zuikaku » Feb 18 2020

milivoje02 wrote:
Feb 18 2020
Correction for production of land desings: add to Serbia prodcution capasity units:
2302 M-84A4 Sniper tank was in 2004 was intended for production and modernization.
2329 M-84D tank corection name to M-84AS 2010 conditions for production were achieved,The whole force of 260 tanks is in proces of upgraded to this variant
These are even not the same tanks. You are mixing croatian and serbian variants. While these are all modernization packages, they are not the same. So, while you can ask these variants to be added, I do not see the point of removing existing variants.
Please teach AI to liberate and colonize instead of only annexing!

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Re: Unit Errata

#502 Post by milivoje02 » Feb 18 2020

Zuikaku wrote:
Feb 18 2020
milivoje02 wrote:
Feb 18 2020
Correction for production of land desings: add to Serbia prodcution capasity units:
2302 M-84A4 Sniper tank was in 2004 was intended for production and modernization.
2329 M-84D tank corection name to M-84AS 2010 conditions for production were achieved,The whole force of 260 tanks is in proces of upgraded to this variant
These are even not the same tanks. You are mixing croatian and serbian variants. While these are all modernization packages, they are not the same. So, while you can ask these variants to be added, I do not see the point of removing existing variants.
I was really waiting for this question. :-) :-) :-)
Croatian and Serbian variants of modernization of m84 come in same time. Kuvat was target for medernization.Why in game are add only Croatian wariants? Way not Serbian variants two?
Or were the m 84 variants added then a compromise for both countries?
They are not essentially the same, fore exaple Serbian m 84 as is wariant with firing system like on t 90 and same sistem of protection.
And what with Nora b52? She is sell in 140 pieces? To sell a unit you must first devoloped? And lazar 1?Lazar2?lazar 3?

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