From the memory - because Pantsyr S1 is prereq for S2-ADATS2 Pantsyr.
And the reason why Pantsyrs are available for X group is ?? Why not for V or Z group also then?
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From the memory - because Pantsyr S1 is prereq for S2-ADATS2 Pantsyr.
Read read the correspondence,
Don't have anythinga against X region countries. I'm just saying that if you empower them with mass of units this region did not ever produce (or will never produce cause I'm almost 100% certain that neither Serbia nor Croatia, Slovenia or Bosnia are never ever going produce Pantsyr, heck they have never produced any sort of SAM whatsoever), than it is very unfair not to give the same or similar units to Oceania or Latin america region group.milivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 11 2019Read read the correspondence,
and what do you have so much against group x countries that have been expelled from group t?
I strongly disagree with you on anything.Zuikaku wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019Don't have anythinga against X region countries. I'm just saying that if you empower them with mass of units this region did not ever produce (or will never produce cause I'm almost 100% certain that neither Serbia nor Croatia, Slovenia or Bosnia are never ever going produce Pantsyr, heck they have never produced any sort of SAM whatsoever), than it is very unfair not to give the same or similar units to Oceania or Latin america region group.milivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 11 2019Read read the correspondence,
and what do you have so much against group x countries that have been expelled from group t?
There is one thing I'm strongly against. I'm against turning this game into fantasy strategy just because some players (being that patriotism or fanboyism) feel their country is too weak, so it is supposed to research and build handpicked assortment of other region's units (being that T, R or U region).
And to be honest, there is more chance for Vietnam (or Syria) to build something like Pantsyr than any of the regions from group X or T. But, ofcourse, you won't request the same units for V or Z region, won't you?
Zuikaku wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019 T-72 is in the game from start as M-84 for region X. You see, M-84 is not a fantasy unit, it actually exist and was produced.
SA-8 was not used by Yugoslavian air defence units and was certainly not produced.
Serbia and Yugoslavia never built supersonic aircraft either. J-22 broke the sound barrier while diving, so yes, we can say his engines were to weak but this is not fighter aircraft either.
Project NA was supposed to be supersonic but was never build. NA is in the game since: 1. It was developed by X region. 2. Was at the final stages of development (so it is not fictional unit).
I have removed all of the MiGs from region Z long time ago. So, that is my answer. Planes domestically developed by region X are in the game for years. the problem is that some players feel that this is not enough since their region can not build everything they need.milivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019 So you do not have anything against x countries?
i don't agree with you on enything.
And mig 25 in Arap states? They have tehnologies for 3500 kmh and altitude of 32000 metars? Did they any plane devolop in history?
you don't comment on that?
Moma Stanojlovic institut in Belgrade 3 times work on reanimation of engine for mg 29 in Service in Serbia.
Serbia build and sell 150 Nora b52. 100 lazar 3. 100 milos and sell. So you pretty much do not inform in that field.
Last ear roket sistem Sumadija had ben test in Pakistan and Saut Arabiba on distance of 284 and 300 km.
The armed industry is profitable. see USA its cooperation on F 35 and Russia and its cooperation on su 57.
What to do with greek f 18?Zuikaku wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019I have removed all of the MiGs from region Z long time ago. So, that is my answer. Planes domestically developed by region X are in the game for years. the problem is that some players feel that this is not enough since their region can not build everything they need.milivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019 So you do not have anything against x countries?
i don't agree with you on enything.
And mig 25 in Arap states? They have tehnologies for 3500 kmh and altitude of 32000 metars? Did they any plane devolop in history?
you don't comment on that?
Moma Stanojlovic institut in Belgrade 3 times work on reanimation of engine for mg 29 in Service in Serbia.
Serbia build and sell 150 Nora b52. 100 lazar 3. 100 milos and sell. So you pretty much do not inform in that field.
Last ear roket sistem Sumadija had ben test in Pakistan and Saut Arabiba on distance of 284 and 300 km.
The armed industry is profitable. see USA its cooperation on F 35 and Russia and its cooperation on su 57.
seems like you are confused. Repairing and servicing aircraft engines is not the same thing as constructing and producing aircrafts (and aircraft engines). As a matter of fact, X region never developed single jet aircraft engine. They licence built RR engines (Viper).
Cooperation on some parts is also not the same as producing the aircraft.
Let me se if I can follow your ratio:
Serbia (barely) manages to have few MiG-29s serviceable so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Croatia (barely) manages to have few MiG-21s serviceable so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Yugoslavia once negotiated about serviceing iraqi MiG-23s so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Yugoslavia bought some SA-6 so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Serbia have aeronautic institute so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build any (russian) plane.
Croatia acquired some Kiowas so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Serbia got some Mi-8 choppers so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Serbia was negotiating about producing some components for POLISH PT-91 tank so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them (the whole tank!).
Croatia got few PzH2000s so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
Serbia (maybe) acquired a handful of Pantsyr S1s so the X group shoul'd be able to research and build them.
BUT:
Syria operates/operated a magnitude more MiG-21s, MiG-23 and MiG-29 than all of the X region countries but they (Z region) should not be able to research and build them.
Syria operates a vast number of SAMs (Pantsyr S1 included), many more than all X region countries combined ever, it also have more rocket/aeronautics research centers and experience than any and all X region countries but they (Z region) should not be able to research and build them.
Germany produced some parts for Abrams tank so so the G group shoul'd be able to research and build them?
US produced many parts for swedish Gripen so the U group shoul'd be able to research and build them?
Vietnam also operates Su-27 and Su-30s. Shoul'd it be able to build them?
What about Venezuela? Shoul'd them be able to build F-16s and Su-30s?
If not, why shoul'd be X region?
My position is clear: it is well known who is the producer of specific equipment and who is licenced producer. In the game you can licence-produce almost anything you want (due to oversimplistic AI diplomacy) for bargain price.
If something is american design or russian design, only them shoul'd be able to build them. Licence producers also but not as the unit database entry. So I'm against X region being able to produce MiG-23s or Pantsyrs, but I'm also against region Z or V being able to produce them (as the unit database entry).
Now, you have pushed your wishes and made X region full of designs that do not belong there on any basics. The other regions (that are more advanced users of before mentioned equipment) are now neglected. If BGs now enforce equal standards for all regions, the game and unit database woul'd become utter mess with anyone being able to build almost everything (South America is one region so they shoul'd all be able to build very interesting mix of US, Russian and european weapons - and what about merry Z region). Why then having regions at all if all of the units will ,de facto, be "world units"?
Dude.. At least read what you are posting before posting it.. Maybe use auto-correct to help.. Because it's very hard to read your textmilivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019
What to do with greek f 18?
syria mg 25?
Somw units ar sheard.
What did you get so caught up in the x group? You are not objective.
serbia currently has 18-20mig 29,she both 14 in last 2 ears.12 migova 29 je unisteno u bombardovanju srbije 1999.
Mig 23 in 1991 Serbia recoverd forom Iraq for remont,afer war they have renounced them and are now standing there.
Many weapons were created as subcontractors or refinements of other country weapons.
Japanese Fa 2 has anything to do with loki martini?
did the Japanese do anything with the F 16 like the Serbs with the t 72?
You claim that there will be no future co-ops?
Are you sure you do not have someting aginst x countries?
because your views when dividing the t group were very unbased. What is your educational level if I could ask? I em current Master of Economics.
as for the R 60 missile system https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... -and-r-60d
And you seid noting for M 84 ab1???
I only play official game,i did not dowload no one remaster.
English is not my native langure. So i must apologize for the spelling. Syria bought desinge of mig 25? Greece bought desingde of f 18? Germany bought desinge of f18? Some untis shoud be sherad.arakan94 wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019Dude.. At least read what you are posting before posting it.. Maybe use auto-correct to help.. Because it's very hard to read your textmilivoje02 wrote: ↑Dec 12 2019
What to do with greek f 18?
syria mg 25?
Somw units ar sheard.
What did you get so caught up in the x group? You are not objective.
serbia currently has 18-20mig 29,she both 14 in last 2 ears.12 migova 29 je unisteno u bombardovanju srbije 1999.
Mig 23 in 1991 Serbia recoverd forom Iraq for remont,afer war they have renounced them and are now standing there.
Many weapons were created as subcontractors or refinements of other country weapons.
Japanese Fa 2 has anything to do with loki martini?
did the Japanese do anything with the F 16 like the Serbs with the t 72?
You claim that there will be no future co-ops?
Are you sure you do not have someting aginst x countries?
because your views when dividing the t group were very unbased. What is your educational level if I could ask? I em current Master of Economics.
as for the R 60 missile system https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... -and-r-60d
And you seid noting for M 84 ab1???
I only play official game,i did not dowload no one remaster.
Also.. "loki martini"
Come on. It's not that hard to actually look up the name of company and write it correctly.
And as Zuikaku said - it doesn't matter that country is using something they bought. They should only be able to make stuff they designed or got technology transfer for (such as F-2 or Korean T-50).