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Re: Serb unit addition request (Split from Changelog 9.1.114)

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milivoje02 wrote:
Jan 02 2019

1. Rocket system Sumadija-( http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... nch-weapon) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumadija_ ... _launcher) (https://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-de ... 80-km.html)
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self-propelled howitzer SOKO (http://www.yugoimport.com/cir/proizvodi ... d-howitzer)
3 T-55/T-62 main battle (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
4 T-72 main battle tank upgrade package (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
5 M84 AB1 MAIN BATTLE TANK (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... attle-tank)
6 BLACKWOLF (KURJAK) FAMILY-reakon (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... jak-family)
7 ALEKSANDAR SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY WEAPON (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... cal-155-mm)
8 M09 105 mm ARMORED TRUCK-MOUNTED HOWITZER (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... d-howitzer)
10 Long range tactical UAV “PЕGАZ” (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... -uav-pegaz)
I've started reviewing some of these requests;

2. This unit is already in, 4721.
3. We have both the T-55 and the T-62 but my understanding was all were built in the Soviet Union. Serbia/Yugoslavia only did modernization of existing units, something that our engine doesn't really model.
4. Same as above, T-72 is a Russian design
5. There are 3 versions of the M-84 in the game already
7. This is being added. Unit ID will be 4753

I'll do more of these another day...
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Thanks for the fast response.
Please devote time for Šumadija (multiple rocket launcher) ( https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... nch-weapon)
He exists, that is
a new product of the defense industry of Serbia.
by inserting the problem of ballistic artillery would be resolved,because in the first year of the game Hungarian Bulgarien and Romania develop 9k62 and Serbia,Croatia have none,and there are vulnerable.
And in reality there is a rocket system called Sumadija in Serbia army with range of Serbia’s Yugoimport-SDPR has developed a new Sumadija guided artillery rocket with ranges exceeding 280 km,has a diameter of 400 mm, a length of 8250 mm, a total weight of 1502 kg, and a 200 kg warhead.
And please,Hungarian Bulgarien and Romania develop mig 23 in the first year of the game,and in reality only Serbia and Romania have developed aviation in the Balkans, coud you put something in the X Group to be competent with the technology of MIG23 or him.
And AA epons. in 2030 Tgroup devolop SA-12b Giant,and X group is left viht SA 2. can you do can you do that the X group gets something more competent?
hank you for your answer and best regards!
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Balthagor wrote:
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3. We have both the T-55 and the T-62 but my understanding was all were built in the Soviet Union. Serbia/Yugoslavia only did modernization of existing units, something that our engine doesn't really model.
4. Same as above, T-72 is a Russian design
Well yes and no. What you do not have is the ability to upgrade vehicles during a game.
However you have represented versions of vehicles that are either solely upgrades of already existing vehicles or in some cases upgrades that did not even make it into production.

Now I do not know how extensive the upgrades to these tanks are but assuming they are significant I really do think they should be represented both as designs and upgraded units on the map.
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Re: Serb unit addition request (Split from Changelog 9.1.114)

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Balthagor wrote:
Jun 04 2019
milivoje02 wrote:
Jan 02 2019

1. Rocket system Sumadija-( http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... nch-weapon) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumadija_ ... _launcher) (https://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-de ... 80-km.html)
2
self-propelled howitzer SOKO (http://www.yugoimport.com/cir/proizvodi ... d-howitzer)
3 T-55/T-62 main battle (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
4 T-72 main battle tank upgrade package (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
5 M84 AB1 MAIN BATTLE TANK (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... attle-tank)
6 BLACKWOLF (KURJAK) FAMILY-reakon (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... jak-family)
7 ALEKSANDAR SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY WEAPON (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... cal-155-mm)
8 M09 105 mm ARMORED TRUCK-MOUNTED HOWITZER (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... d-howitzer)
10 Long range tactical UAV “PЕGАZ” (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... -uav-pegaz)
I've started reviewing some of these requests;

2. This unit is already in, 4721.
3. We have both the T-55 and the T-62 but my understanding was all were built in the Soviet Union. Serbia/Yugoslavia only did modernization of existing units, something that our engine doesn't really model.
4. Same as above, T-72 is a Russian design
5. There are 3 versions of the M-84 in the game already
7. This is being added. Unit ID will be 4753

I'll do more of these another day...
A large hole in the X hole exists in the field of artillery,
Two years ago, Serbia developed a rocket system of Sumadija(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... nch-weapon) and this rocket system
with its characteristics it would be the strongest rocket system in the game ,considering it really exists it could fix the situation in the artillery of the X group that does not exist after the year 2009. Why does it seem to me devolopers ignore the existence of this rocket system? The X group is really bad in terms of Artillery and systems such as Sumadia and her ignoring of existence is evidence.AA sistem are two in is really bad in terms.Would you be so kind that when you already made the X group, to fix her to to have at least a basic weapon in tex tree. Although it does not seem right to me that the X group is worse in relation to the T group, and that there are so few development units in the future.
There should some units from the T group Add to X group to make balance.
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Innovations in armaments of Serbian army.
-Serbia both Mistral 3 short-range air defense systems and is planing to interfate in new AA vehicle PASARS-16 homemade product(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASARS-16)
News form (https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/mistral-manpads/)from visit of French president Macron to Belgrade.
-Serbia bought mi 35 attack helicopters (https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.p ... _id=106788)
-Cooperation between Serbia and United Arab Emirates misle sistem ALAS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALAS_(missile))
-Serbia both a 6 migs 29 from Russia and 4 migs 29 form Belarus (https://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=105428)(https://thedefensepost.com/2019/02/25/s ... m-belarus/)
-Sumadija rocket system presented at a military parade and introduced into the weapon system(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... nch-weapon)(https://www.army-technology.com/project ... et-system/)(https://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-de ... 80-km.html)

Can you tell me the innovation guidelines that are being planned for the x group?
Best regards to devolopers.
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Nov 21 2019
Add unit 7030 SA-341 Gazelle to X group, Yugoslavia had producing a SA 341/342 Gazele bu French licenc(https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/SA_342_% ... 0%BB%D0%B0),and Serbia contiune menteinenc and production capability as the first successor state. Serbia has now about 90 helicoperts SA 341/342 Gazele in service. From gazelle experience Serbia has been developing Hornet/Strsljen/X-01 Unmanned Helicopter(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... helicopter)

Add unit 5639 SA-8 Gecko to X group and Serbian production production capacity(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... -and-r-60d) Serbia Sa-8 gecko with R-60 (missile) produces for itself and has offered it for export.

New unit M84 AB1 tank third level of devoloping m 84 in Serbia,have a Shtora-1 armor and Kontakt-5 like on T 90 and T80 m2,firing 9M119 Svir/Refleks like T 90,T 80,T84 tank range of 5000 m. engine diesel V-46TK1,200 hp operation range 700 km and speed 75 kmh. (https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... attle-tank )( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84AS)
There is a unit 2329 m 84D is in caracteristichs like M84 AS1 (https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... attle-tank),it is close to the new tank in x group and with modified of values ​​for ground difence on 38(like other tanks in same armor family) and hard atack on 52 like tanks from same femily using a 9M119 Svir/Refleks and name change im M84 AB1 it can do the job.


And one question: X group have a 2515 MVT SR-13 tank at the wheels.It is somehow not natural here because the countries that develop tanks from the x group are developing a tank with a caterpillar that evolved on the plateau of the basic Russian tank. So it should be replaced with some more cordial when it comes to the direction of technology.
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Balthagor wrote:
Nov 21 2019
milivoje02 wrote:
Nov 21 2019
Add unit 7030 SA-341 Gazelle to X group, Yugoslavia had producing a SA 341/342 Gazele bu French licenc(https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/SA_342_% ... 0%BB%D0%B0),and Serbia contiune menteinenc and production capability as the first successor state. Serbia has now about 90 helicoperts SA 341/342 Gazele in service. From gazelle experience Serbia has been developing Hornet/Strsljen/X-01 Unmanned Helicopter(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... helicopter)

Add unit 5639 SA-8 Gecko to X group and Serbian production production capacity(https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... -and-r-60d) Serbia Sa-8 gecko with R-60 (missile) produces for itself and has offered it for export.

New unit M84 AB1 tank third level of devoloping m 84 in Serbia,have a Shtora-1 armor and Kontakt-5 like on T 90 and T80 m2,firing 9M119 Svir/Refleks like T 90,T 80,T84 tank range of 5000 m. engine diesel V-46TK1,200 hp operation range 700 km and speed 75 kmh. (https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... attle-tank )( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84AS)
There is a unit 2329 m 84D is in caracteristichs like M84 AS1 (https://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi ... attle-tank),it is close to the new tank in x group and with modified of values ​​for ground difence on 38(like other tanks in same armor family) and hard atack on 52 like tanks from same femily using a 9M119 Svir/Refleks and name change im M84 AB1 it can do the job.


And one question: X group have a 2515 MVT SR-13 tank at the wheels.It is somehow not natural here because the countries that develop tanks from the x group are developing a tank with a caterpillar that evolved on the plateau of the basic Russian tank. So it should be replaced with some more cordial when it comes to the direction of technology.
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milivoje02 wrote:
Sep 04 2019
Will Sumadia missile system be added?
Thanks for the link, unit 4583 added for the next update.
I just saw insider build. Nothing was added to the X group. what was hapend with adding of unit 4583 to game in X group ?

and I noticed a problem, technology could not be explored: Softwear Self Programing,Laser Communication,Dark Matter Theories,Missile Launch Silos. i tried to upload a save game but it doesn't accept extension
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Savegame's are too big for the forum. You should start a new thread if you found a bug.

What is out now is the testing version of the update. I started looking at your X group requests, will try and get a few in before the update is finished.
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Balthagor wrote:
Nov 21 2019
Savegame's are too big for the forum. You should start a new thread if you found a bug.

What is out now is the testing version of the update. I started looking at your X group requests, will try and get a few in before the update is finished.
I hope you make it. Because in the long run because you can't play with the X group.On pictured is 2039 years and all countries around me have 4862 2S31 EM Ballistics , 4874 PzH4 Chancellor EM Ballistics , 4591 9K121 Tempest, 4552 9K62. which are futuristic and contrived and x group conutries have noting to compare

Same for AA wepons. I chasing 9280 NI-2 Shearwater with Sa-2 from 1950 and everyone around me in the T group has 5805 Sa-12F Giant-G..
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within one year of playing, everyone around the X group has 9200 mig 23,9270 mig 23 nir and most T-group countries have never even had a domestic plane. 20 ears of
playing and can have the navy, and everyone around me in the T group has 17782 CG-04 Graz,17380 CG-1134 Kresta II 17392 DDG-61M Slavnnyy, 17528 D-09 Warsaw 15970 U-20.
And there is none Supply Vehicle.

Please help the X group make it decent to play,for us who play the long run.In this correspondence I have suggested some units that should be made available to the X group and those are: 9200 mig 23,9270 mig 23 nir 10432 Feric 7224 Vampir,7191 Bleackbird 4862 2S31 EM Ballistics , 4874 PzH4 Chancellor EM Ballistics , 4591 9K121 Tempest, 4552 9K62 5805 Sa-12F Giant-G, 5699 SA-21 Gator 17782 CG-04 Graz,17380 CG-1134 Kresta II 17392 DDG-61M Slavnnyy, 17528 D-09 Warsaw 12265 GB-16 Squall 15970 U-20 6121 ASV-AX Supply Vehicle 1530 BMP-R 2285 PT-91 Twardy M 2001 (M84B), 2330 PT-16 656 WPB Anders 14771 Mi-33K Homer II 13445 BA-2 Rabbit13360 AN-60D AEW&C 3610 Longbow 120mm. 3692 D-990 HVGM.
Players playing with the X group relied on these units until the group separated and there was no division of units,so give them back to us please.
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milivoje02 wrote:
Jan 02 2019
1. Rocket system Sumadija-( http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... nch-weapon) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumadija_ ... _launcher) (https://defence-blog.com/news/serbia-de ... 80-km.html)
2
self-propelled howitzer SOKO (http://www.yugoimport.com/cir/proizvodi ... d-howitzer)
3 T-55/T-62 main battle (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
4 T-72 main battle tank upgrade package (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... de-package)
5 M84 AB1 MAIN BATTLE TANK (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... attle-tank)
6 BLACKWOLF (KURJAK) FAMILY-reakon (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... jak-family)
7 ALEKSANDAR SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY WEAPON (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... cal-155-mm)
8 M09 105 mm ARMORED TRUCK-MOUNTED HOWITZER (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... d-howitzer)
10 Long range tactical UAV “PЕGАZ” (http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/ ... -uav-pegaz)
I've done more work on the X region units.

1. Added previously, can't remember if I mentioned it.
6. Added
8. Added
10. We don't include any UAVs with operational range < 150km

I also looked at what regions T and X get in future tech units, added access to some more existing stuff; 4 Artillery, 2 AA, 1 Transport, 2 helicopters, 1 multirole, 3 subs. All of these are tech 2020+

These should all be in when the update .245 goes from Insider to Public.
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Thanks for the good news.
1 you mentioned, but he wasn't in this one inside build ofr update .245.
I could ask you which multirole ? And do AA have Mid ear Atack?
And some interseptor in inproved modern arcfit tehnology?in this case there is 7 yeares to first interseptor.
And number 5 ? #22 in this correspondence.
Thanks for your time and effort
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I did not keep track of which units I flagged, but I agree that there was a big gap in "future tech" units

I also looked at your suggested for some shared designs, some of them are part of what I already added to X this morning. Here are the decisions I made on these;

Yes - 9200 mig 23,9270 mig 23 nir
Yes - 10432 Feric
Yes - 7224 Vampir,
Yes - 7191 Bleackbird,,
Yes - 4862 2S31 EM Ballistics (added in my first pass)
No - 4874 PzH4 Chancellor EM Ballistics
Yes - 4591 9K121 Tempest, 4552 9K62 (added in my first pass)
Yes - 5805 Sa-12F Giant-G, 5699 SA-21 Gator
Yes - 17782 CG-04 Graz,17380 CG-1134 Kresta II
Yes - 17392 DDG-61M Slavnnyy
Yes - 17528 D-09 Warsaw
Yes - 12265 GB-16 Squall
No - 15970 U-20 (they get 15971 at about the same time)
No - 6121 ASV-AX Supply Vehicle (I gave them 6122 instead)
Yes - 1530 BMP-R
Yes - 2285 PT-91 Twardy M 2001 (M84B),
No - 2330 PT-16 (Added a new fictional equivalent)
Yes - 656 WPB Anders
Yes - 14771 Mi-33K Homer II
Yes - 13445 BA-2 Rabbit (added in my first pass)
Yes - 13360 AN-60D AEW&C
Yes - 3610 Longbow 120mm. 3692 D-990 HVGM

I also created another higher end tank unit to which they have access.
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That's great,I look forward to update.
I'm curious to see that new tank and play the update.
Thank you very much.
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No problem, thanks for your patience.

The best thank you if you have a few minutes would be a Steam Review ;)
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Balthagor wrote:
Nov 23 2019
No problem, thanks for your patience.

The best thank you if you have a few minutes would be a Steam Review ;)
I'm excited about new tanks.
What happened to :
17380 CG-1134 Kresta II
4552 9K62
9270 mig 23 nir
5699 SA-21 Gator
their insertion was confirmed but they were not inserted?
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