Ascension Island, being about half way between Britain and the Falklands, also served as a key logistical base for troops heading for the Falklands war in 1982.Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha is a British Overseas Territory in the southern Atlantic Ocean consisting of the island of Saint Helena, Ascension Island and the island group called Tristan da Cunha. It was previously known as Saint Helena and Dependencies until September 1, 2009, when a new constitution came into force giving the three islands equal status within the territory.
World War II and subsequent military presence
During the Battle of the Atlantic of World War II and the following several years of u-boat warfare in the Atlantic, both Saint Helena and Ascension Island were used by the Allies to base patrolling anti-surface-commerce-raider and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) forces against the Axis powers' naval units. Initially long range naval patrol flying boats were used in the effort, and later in the war during the struggle to improve air coverage over the commercially important sea lanes, air strips were built to support land based aircraft which supplied, augmented and complemented the PBY Catalina patrol planes in the vitally important ASW mission.
The United States and Great Britain still jointly operate the airfield (RAF Ascension Island) on Ascension, which also serves as a space-based communications, signals intelligence, and navigation nexus and hub (Ground station). One of only five GPS satellite ground stations is located there.
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True. As are most of the Central Pacific islands--Tarawa, Einewtok, Kwajalein, etc.
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*bump*
Am I to assume no dev interest on this?
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Tarawa atoll is very small, I am assuming it would not fit the scale being used?
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Still, didn't it have an airfield and could be used as a refueling point? In the Large distances in the pacific, ever little bit helps.stevehoos wrote:Tarawa atoll is very small, I am assuming it would not fit the scale being used?
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Under review again... It is a challenge to put some of these islands in at the scale we use, but we'll see.
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The more important ones are the Marshall Islands chain. Those were critical for both sides in WWII, more so than some of the Caribbean islands, which were pretty much a backwater in the war.
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This would be true (Caribbean island lower importance) if the WW 2 game went totally historical, which given it is not built upon criteria of a historical game, there is no predicting how important the Caribbean might be. As it was, protecting the Allied oil shipments coming from Venezuela - bound both for U.S. refineries and directly to Great Britain - it was just as important as were theAragos wrote:The more important ones are the Marshall Islands chain. Those were critical for both sides in WWII, more so than some of the Caribbean islands, which were pretty much a backwater in the war.
GILBERT and MARSHALL Island's groups in the south-central Pacific.
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Ref Ascension Island in mid-Atlantic [Ascension Island, being about half way between Britain and the Falklands, also served as a key logistical base for troops heading for the Falklands war in 1982.]..........
Ascension was critical to the U.S. effort to supply both its own forces and the British in the Middle East....using what was called the
"West African Route" for air supply and delivery of aircraft. It's airfield also was important for basing PBY Catalina flying boats / amphibians in the mid-Atlantic ASW war, particularly in protecting the refueling port at Freetown. PBY and later PBMs operated from here as key protectors of the South Atlantic route via Capetown / Durban / London ports to British home ports.....
a serious omission if not included.
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For any game, historical or otherwise. It would allow for movement of aircraft that is fairly tough to do in the Pacific now. Not disparaging the Carib--but there are multiple island groups there that could be joined together (example: the two northernmost Windward Islands) into singular countries to overcome the 255 country limit.geminif4ucorsair wrote:This would be true (Caribbean island lower importance) if the WW 2 game went totally historical, which given it is not built upon criteria of a historical game, there is no predicting how important the Caribbean might be. As it was, protecting the Allied oil shipments coming from Venezuela - bound both for U.S. refineries and directly to Great Britain - it was just as important as were theAragos wrote:The more important ones are the Marshall Islands chain. Those were critical for both sides in WWII, more so than some of the Caribbean islands, which were pretty much a backwater in the war.
GILBERT and MARSHALL Island's groups in the south-central Pacific.
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Ascension was critical to the U.S. effort to supply both its own forces and the British in the Middle East....using what was called the
"West African Route" for air supply and delivery of aircraft. It's airfield also was important for basing PBY Catalina flying boats / amphibians in the mid-Atlantic ASW war, particularly in protecting the refueling port at Freetown. PBY and later PBMs operated from here as key protectors of the South Atlantic route via Capetown / Durban / London ports to British home ports.....
a serious omission if not included.
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It might be one solution but there remains a need to get more Pacific Island's in the game. Anything BG can do in this regard will be well appreciated by players.For any game, historical or otherwise. It would allow for movement of aircraft that is fairly tough to do in the Pacific now. Not disparaging the Carib--but there are multiple island groups there that could be joined together (example: the two northernmost Windward Islands) into singular countries to overcome the 255 country limit.
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As important as some of these are to the scenario given the map scale I'm not sure how i would feel about them being added. Sure I guess one could ignore it.. allow a bit of abstraction and add them for gameplay sake. Perhaps artificially limit the number of facilities that can be built on these specific hexes to denote their small size.BattleGoat wrote:Under review again... It is a challenge to put some of these islands in at the scale we use, but we'll see.
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It might be worth it to add these and delete those two islands north of Iwo Jima. You can't build on them anyway.
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At this point it would be worth some suspension of disbelief about size and come to terms with all small islands occupying a total square. Some areas really are just that strategically important or were deemed to be so by certain leaders.BattleGoat wrote:Under review again... It is a challenge to put some of these islands in at the scale we use, but we'll see.
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If the problem is size of the island compared to the size of a single hex, then I think this is an artificial limit. Giving a spot in the middle of an ocean an air field is in no way interrupting nearby hexes and acts as something mechanical.
Let's not pretend there's a single hex on the map that is 100% accurate and let's not pretend that there are not already hexes that are hundreds of times smaller/larger than real life scale. What matters most is the importance of a place, importance of the infrastructure there.
Let's not pretend there's a single hex on the map that is 100% accurate and let's not pretend that there are not already hexes that are hundreds of times smaller/larger than real life scale. What matters most is the importance of a place, importance of the infrastructure there.