Korea and Taiwan

[Cdiplayer]

They should be annexed to Japan rather than being Japanese colonies. At the time they were Prefectures within Japan and did not have the same status as areas like Manchukuo.

[geminif4ucorsair]

They should be annexed to Japan rather than being Japanese colonies. At the time they were Prefectures within Japan and did not have the same status as areas like Manchukuo.

Technically true, but I think in the context of Supreme Ruler game series, where they can attain "independence" or be reallocated to China,
it needs to remain in the status of colonies. Supposed in a game in a war between China and Japan, Japan sues for peace.....Japan could offer either as part of a diplomatic offer to reach a peace agreement....

that could not happen if they were Japanese prefectures (one cannot divide/split-off a Region's provinces, states, prefectures, etc.).

[Cdiplayer]

They should be annexed to Japan rather than being Japanese colonies. At the time they were Prefectures within Japan and did not have the same status as areas like Manchukuo.

Technically true, but I think in the context of Supreme Ruler game series, where they can attain "independence" or be reallocated to China,
it needs to remain in the status of colonies. Supposed in a game in a war between China and Japan, Japan sues for peace.....Japan could offer either as part of a diplomatic offer to reach a peace agreement....

that could not happen if they were Japanese prefectures (one cannot divide/split-off a Region's provinces, states, prefectures, etc.).

I was not aware that colonies could be offered to other countries in exchange for peace have I missed something?

[Zuikaku]

And because of that, Japan is just to weak and unable to make any gains in China.
i do not see how Korea could not gain independance. If it is being annexed, than if third party "liberated" Seoul, it can be ressurected (coloniza, liberate) as independant state. And also, guerilla units can now resurrect occupied/dead regions.

[Balthagor]

They should be annexed to Japan rather than being Japanese colonies. At the time they were Prefectures within Japan and did not have the same status as areas like Manchukuo.

Technically true, but I think in the context of Supreme Ruler game series, where they can attain "independence" or be reallocated to China,
it needs to remain in the status of colonies. Supposed in a game in a war between China and Japan, Japan sues for peace.....Japan could offer either as part of a diplomatic offer to reach a peace agreement....

that could not happen if they were Japanese prefectures (one cannot divide/split-off a Region's provinces, states, prefectures, etc.).

I was not aware that colonies could be offered to other countries in exchange for peace have I missed something?

No, territory cannot be traded by players. Events can be used to move territory around as per a scenario design but that has no baring on if we model it as annexed or colonized. I'll ask other team members to review our notes on why we chose a colony system instead of annexation.
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[geminif4ucorsair]

I was not aware that colonies could be offered to other countries in exchange for peace have I missed something?

Did not mean one could as yet trade-off regions for peace...it was intended more as a discussion of why such flexibility should be possible and a reason BG was designing it in the manner of Colonial creation....apologies if I sent anyone off-the-tracks on this! I was not advocating that a province/state etc of a region can be traded at will (such as the US offering Texas to gain peace with another region)....but its not unheard of.

The peace btw the Allied powers and Japan did change the territorial landscape, in that Northern and Southern regions of the Korean peninsula (like Austria and Germany) became separate zones-of-occupation, with "intent" of unification post-war, and Taiwan was "returned" to China - after a peace treaty had separated it to Japan.

Then, of course there is Strasberg or Strasbourg.....subject of a peace treaty transfer of ownership since the Franco-Prussian War...so, it has been done in the recent history.

Mia Culpa, however.

[mfisher12]

The current mechanics of the game force me (as the US) to declare war on Formosa without casus belli, lowering my international standing even though it was Japan who arbitrarily declared war on me first.

Without declaring war on Formosa, the problems of attacking/invading Japan are increased exponentially. Japanese units stationed in Formosa could hit my flank if I went straight from Phillipines to Kyushu.

[SGTscuba]

The current mechanics of the game force me (as the US) to declare war on Formosa without casus belli, lowering my international standing even though it was Japan who arbitrarily declared war on me first.

Without declaring war on Formosa, the problems of attacking/invading Japan are increased exponentially. Japanese units stationed in Formosa could hit my flank if I went straight from Phillipines to Kyushu.

^this, annoyed me lots, had to do the same when playing as Japan.

[Aragos]

The current mechanics of the game force me (as the US) to declare war on Formosa without casus belli, lowering my international standing even though it was Japan who arbitrarily declared war on me first.

Without declaring war on Formosa, the problems of attacking/invading Japan are increased exponentially. Japanese units stationed in Formosa could hit my flank if I went straight from Phillipines to Kyushu.

^this, annoyed me lots, had to do the same when playing as Japan.

Ditto. I know this has been brought to the Goats attention more than once. Colonies should DoW when the Home Country does. Sort of goes with being a "colony."

[mfisher12]

The current mechanics of the game force me (as the US) to declare war on Formosa without casus belli, lowering my international standing even though it was Japan who arbitrarily declared war on me first.

Without declaring war on Formosa, the problems of attacking/invading Japan are increased exponentially. Japanese units stationed in Formosa could hit my flank if I went straight from Phillipines to Kyushu.

^this, annoyed me lots, had to do the same when playing as Japan.

Ditto. I know this has been brought to the Goats attention more than once. Colonies should DoW when the Home Country does. Sort of goes with being a "colony."

I'm only guessing here, but the whole parent/colony dynamic may be a leftover from SRCW. In CW, colonies are treated as autonomous countries, allied with their parent. But DOWing the parent does not automatically invoke a DOW from the colonies.

It needs to be changed. When Japan declares war, there should be an automatic state of war with her colonies as well.

[Balthagor]

...I'm only guessing here, but the whole parent/colony dynamic may be a leftover from SRCW. In CW, colonies are treated as autonomous countries, allied with their parent. But DOWing the parent does not automatically invoke a DOW from the colonies.

It needs to be changed. When Japan declares war, there should be an automatic state of war with her colonies as well.

There have already been some changes to the system, more are planned.

[SGTscuba]

...I'm only guessing here, but the whole parent/colony dynamic may be a leftover from SRCW. In CW, colonies are treated as autonomous countries, allied with their parent. But DOWing the parent does not automatically invoke a DOW from the colonies.

It needs to be changed. When Japan declares war, there should be an automatic state of war with her colonies as well.

There have already been some changes to the system, more are planned.

Nice!

[Cdiplayer]

Also, if Taiwan and Korea are going to be colonies then I think Greenland should certainly be a colony of Denmark instead of part of Denmark. Greenland had more autonomy than Taiwan and Korea did at the time.

[Aragos]

+1. As it currently is, there is no way for the US to occupy Greenland like it did during the war, short of DoW'ing Denmark.

[BattleGoat]

After reading more than I really wanted to about this I've made the following call:
1) Formosa should remain a colony. For support I'll reference this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... anese_rule

2) Korea should be annexed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule)