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Can pearl harbour happen ?midway ?

#1 Post by tkobo » Feb 05 2014

Has the combat system for aircraft and ships been adjusted to make these major events,and ones like them,able to be mirrored in game ?
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#2 Post by Balthagor » Feb 05 2014

Not at this time. Some of the precursor events are still missing from the campagin/sandbox and AI work is slated for later in the Early Access cycle.

Bump this again in a few weeks, hopefully we'll have more info. It is an issue we're very aware of.
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#3 Post by Aragos » Feb 06 2014

If I can make a suggestion, as to events like the German invasion of Poland, the USSR and Japanese DoW on 7 Dec 41--make it slightly random. In other words, Japan doesn't always attack on 7 December, or even attack the USA directly, but have a +/- 60 days around that date and vary the DoW targets. Sometimes Japan DoW's the Philippines (forcing a US DoW to protect its colony), or only the UK or Netherlands, etc.

As it is a player can plan and predict AI DoWs.

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#4 Post by Balthagor » Feb 06 2014

we are already moving in this direction. Marco Polo incident for example has a "window" during which it occurres.
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#5 Post by tofofnts » Feb 06 2014

Balthagor wrote:we are already moving in this direction. Marco Polo incident for example has a "window" during which it occurres.
that's great
hypothetically, it'd be amazing if everything happened when a set of parameters were reached, and not just during the time frame when they actually occurred (and maybe even events that didn't happen being potentially triggered under the right circumstances), but that'd probably be a pain in the ass to program so I won't get my hopes up
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#6 Post by Aragos » Feb 07 2014

Agreed. One of the problems I've seen in the last few (.28) games, esp. at very high volitility is that USSR tends to DoW Finland, Poland and be DoW'd by Japan. The result is a much weakened USSR and a stronger Poland. When Germany automatically DoW's Poland in Sept 39, the Germans tend not to last too long--too many Poles and the French/UK are very aggressive.

I'd like to see triggers like:
-- If Japan is at war with the USSR, then no China war.
--If Japan is at war with the USSR, then no US/UK war
--If the USSR is at war with Poland, then Germany doesn't go to war with Poland (preventing the two front war problem)

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#7 Post by bluestreak2k5 » Feb 07 2014

Actually what Hitler wanted was Poland + Germany versus USSR, and even Stalin was afraid of this.

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#8 Post by Balthagor » Feb 07 2014

My understanding was he wanted more UK + Germany vs. USSR and that was an even bigger fear of Stalin's.
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#9 Post by bluestreak2k5 » Feb 07 2014

http://rt.com/news/prime-time/german-hi ... ler-plans/

I'd be interested in seeing the ideas of UK + Germany versus Russia though. I know Hitler wanted Greater Germany to emulate the British empire in many ways, and never truly wanted to fight a lengthy war versus Britain.

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#10 Post by tkobo » Mar 04 2014

.....any progress ?
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#11 Post by Balthagor » Mar 04 2014

Not yet.
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#12 Post by Aragos » Mar 04 2014

My most recent .32 game still sees Germany crushed by France/UK. This time, there was no Poland war. Playing USA, I even sold equipment to the Germans just to keep them in the fight. No luck.

What I see happening is this: The West war (UK/FR vs. GE) becomes canalized along the Maginot Line hexes/area. The French hordes of artillery shatter the Germans, and then the combined UK/FR forces break into Germany. Germany has been destroyed every time by 1941. In the latest case, Italy, while allied to Germany, doesn't join in the war. In fact, by 1946, Italians own most of the USSR, while GER is divided into two big areas (UK occupied, and FR occupied).

I think that the events for Italian involvement need to be tweaked, along with Germany DoWing the Low Countries, etc. This would open up another front and spread out the FR/UK forces. As it is now, they can localize and overwhelm the Germans fairly easily.

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#13 Post by tkobo » Mar 18 2014

...are we there yet ?
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#14 Post by tkobo » Apr 18 2014

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