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Question about abandoned villages.

#1 Post by Jakt80 » Dec 19 2013

Hey, I have a question about abandoned villages. I tried out Japan and Iwo Jima has a few abandoned villages, where the center one has supply, the other two doesn't. No worries, i can get supply as long as i can build. The question is located north east of Iwo Jima where there are two islands in the same region, both has abandoned villages, close enough to build a bridge between them. I did this, and by having engineers there the bridge finished. But I couldn't build any facilities there, as neither village had any supply. Both had about 270 inhabitants each, and the population grew very slowly, so my question is, will these two villages ever reach (non-abandoned) village status so there is a bit of supply? Or will they occationally generate a trickle of supply for a short period of time, giving you a chance to set down a facility so you can get it built, generating more supply letting you populate an area? I was hoping to fortify a string of islands along the pacific, but it seems like that's not going to happen. Or is there some other way to get supply onto an island (I tried dumping 7 supply trucks on the island aswell, but that didn't work, and now they're stuck there as they aren't amphibious amd i have no pier, airport, airbase or port in the island region.

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#2 Post by number47 » Dec 20 2013

Build a sea port (or pier) in one village (by using engineers) and it will start producing some supply. If you are not satisfied with the amount of supply, you can build additional supply depots in that village where you built the pier/port and the supply level will rise.
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#3 Post by Jakt80 » Dec 20 2013

I tried this with the engineers that got the bridge built. The game wont let me place a pier on these villages. I tried with both motorized engineers and the japanese koheitai engineers, I'm simply not allowed to place a pier on these abandoned villages even with engineers on the hex. Is there some other way of having the engineers construct it? I just clicked the constrction button in the military tab when having pier selected. (This works when there is supply in the hex, just wondering if tere is some secret way of having engineers construct stuff when there is no supply).

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#4 Post by barkhauer » Dec 20 2013

Can I have a hex location so I can look at the exact spot in game, please?

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#5 Post by Balthagor » Dec 20 2013

What is the actual population of the hex?
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#6 Post by number47 » Dec 20 2013

Balthagor wrote:What is the actual population of the hex?
Jakt80 wrote:Both had about 270 inhabitants each...
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#7 Post by Jakt80 » Dec 20 2013

X:1693, Y:280 and X:1693, Y:282. 264 population on both. But even if i get more population on them they dont seem to get any supply. Altho I may not have gotten enough population?

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#8 Post by Jakt80 » Dec 20 2013

Shouldn't it be possible to lay down a military complex on an island even if there is no supply (using engineers)? Like how the japanese build airstrips on islands all over the pacific, and the americans possibly did too? (if they didn't, I'm sure they could've and done even better than the japanese =P) I mean the military even built a nuclear reactor under the Greenland ice sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm The project was cancelled, but the nuclear reactor was installed).

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#9 Post by Balthagor » Dec 20 2013

Jakt80 wrote:Shouldn't it be possible to lay down a military complex on an island even if there is no supply (using engineers)? Like how the japanese build airstrips on islands all over the pacific, and the americans possibly did too? (if they didn't, I'm sure they could've and done even better than the japanese =P) I mean the military even built a nuclear reactor under the Greenland ice sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm The project was cancelled, but the nuclear reactor was installed).
This should already work, so long as there is an empty hex.
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#10 Post by Jakt80 » Dec 20 2013

Balthagor wrote:
Jakt80 wrote:Shouldn't it be possible to lay down a military complex on an island even if there is no supply (using engineers)? Like how the japanese build airstrips on islands all over the pacific, and the americans possibly did too? (if they didn't, I'm sure they could've and done even better than the japanese =P) I mean the military even built a nuclear reactor under the Greenland ice sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm The project was cancelled, but the nuclear reactor was installed).
This should already work, so long as there is an empty hex.
Yes it does, my bad ;)

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#11 Post by Jakt80 » Apr 06 2014

Still unable to place a pier on these two islands (X:1693, Y:280 and X:1693, Y: 282), aswell as the two islands north (X: 1689, Y: 289) and south (X: 1691, Y: 294) of iwo jima (altho is is possible to build rail between iwo jima (X: 1690, Y: 292) and the iwo islands so supply can be gotten that way, because iwo jima has an airfield and thus, supply.). As far as I can tell abandoned villages dont generate supply and you cant build military complex on them, therefore you can't build on them at all, engineer or not (have tried with japanese koheitai, german pioniere and motorised aswell as normal engineers.) IMO, you should be able to build on them with engineers if nothing else.

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#12 Post by Balthagor » Apr 06 2014

Engineers only let you build military or industrial complexes. You are saying tried building one of those complexes on one of those hexes?

Can anyone confirm that it's not working?
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Re: Question about abandoned villages.

#13 Post by Jakt80 » Apr 06 2014

Tried building anything that would give supply, port, pier, airfield and base, supply depot, nothing works, unable to get supply to these villages, and thus can't build there. Didn't try to build industrial complex, but since i cant build military complex, I doubt industrial will work. (trying to fortify these islands so industrial complex wouldn't get me what I want anyways)

Edit: I presume I can't build complexes there as there is already abandoned villages on these 1 hex islands, but since they have 0 supply I can't build on them, and since I can't build on them, I cant get supply. Prime example of a catch 22.

Edit 2: Building military complexes on empty islands using engineers works, checked that aswell when I did this bug control.

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Re: Question about abandoned villages.

#14 Post by Aragos » Apr 07 2014

For some reason, you can't build anything on the two islands north of Iwo Jima. I've tried everything.

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Re: Question about abandoned villages.

#15 Post by number47 » Apr 07 2014

Aragos wrote:For some reason, you can't build anything on the two islands north of Iwo Jima. I've tried everything.
The reason is 0% supply level in those settlements. The same issue can occure on oil platforms.

Maybe BG should hardcode a min 1% supply generation in settlements (and oil platforms) no matter the amount of population present OR allow engineers to build anything in 0% supply area...
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