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Re: AH-1G vs AH-1W - Unit Errata

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MK4 wrote: Shouldn`t there be a bigger difference between the Ah-1G and the AH-1W in terms of hard attack? If Ah-1G really stands for the first production version then it is the one that lacked the TOW capability which only came later with the Q/S version, while the AH-1W is actually using Hellfire missiles. Currently the AH-1G has 28 for hard attack and AH-1W has 34.

And since AH-1W also carries the Sidewinder shouldn`t it have a greater close air attack(it has 8 now) and also a greater range for air attack(it has 8 now)?
There should be a fair margin between the two.
I've been in USMC AH-1Ws and but only looked inside Army AH-1Gs (no flying or briefing). Not sure Attack Range against
ground targets will change, because most of the time they use unguided rockets (and not AGM-65 Maverick AGMs, though
capable of firing with the AH-1W version).

The ratings were probably done by BG dating back to the time btw SR2010 and 2020.....
It is worth looking at - if only because you have posted the question...thanks!
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Re: Panthers - Unit Errata

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geminif4ucorsair wrote:...Am sure BG will add the Panther version in upcoming U3.
Actually, I don't think it got in. Anything not in the U3 testing version is unlikely to be in the final U3. Other than "important corrections" the equipment file is closed for final testing.
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Re: Re:FV 510 / 511 - Unit Errata

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geminif4ucorsair wrote: Will look into the designation issue, but I can tell you in advance that a Command Vehicle version will not be added to the Game, as per BG
guidelines (they don't include Command vehicles as separate vehicles, as they do not in themselves, represent a full
battalion but are there usually associated with the headquarters section of each battalion.
I don`t want a command vehicle to be added.

SRCW(and SR2020 for that matter) has a unit called FV511 Warrior which we all know popularly as the Warrior tracked armoured vehicle of the british army. It is placed in the infantry class(0). The problem with it is that the indicator FV511 is not used in reality by the Infantry Section Vehicle(i.e. the regular one that carries the infantry into battle). In reality the FV511 is the Infantry Command vehicle. Since such specialized vehicles(command, recovery, artillery observation etc.) are not depicted in game separately it makes sense that the FV511 Warrior is renamed to FV510 Warrior, which is the actual Infantry Section Vehicle. Just like the BMP-1 unit is not called the BMP-1K or the T-80U is not called the T-80UK, the FV510 Warrior should not be called FV511 Warrior.

It is worth mentioning that this should also apply to the modernized version(which never actually went into production btw) FV511B Warrior 2000 and the FV511 Warrior CTA.
geminif4ucorsair wrote: There should be a fair margin between the two.
I've been in USMC AH-1Ws and but only looked inside Army AH-1Gs (no flying or briefing). Not sure Attack Range against
ground targets will change, because most of the time they use unguided rockets (and not AGM-65 Maverick AGMs, though
capable of firing with the AH-1W version).
Well, in my post I`ve only touched on the value of the hard attack(i.e. where the TOW/no TOW should be considered) as far as air to ground is concerned. Mainly, I think the G version should have a lower hard attack because it lacked the TOW(not to mention the hellfire) ability. And I think the W version should also have a higher close air attack due to carrying dedicated air to air missiles. Since hard and soft attack are separate values in game I think the range of the hard attack should depend on the anti tank missiles involved(i.e. TOW and hellfire). Which, naturally, would not affect the G since it didn`t carried them.

As far as the range I`ve mentioned above, what I suggested was an increase in the Close Air Attack range because the W is Sidewinder capable. Which means its close air attack range should match that of the dedicated missile imo.

These are the two main things that came to my mind when I looked at the two units` stats. Of course, if you take an in depth look and find other things that could be adjusted, the better. :D

Thank you for the replies!
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Re: Unit Errata

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FV510 it is.
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Re: Unit Errata

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Balthagor wrote:FV510 it is.
When I`ve pointed all the Warrior units that are involved I`ve missed one. Here`s the complete list:
477,FV511 Warrior
517,FV511B Warrior 2000
635,FV511 Warrior CTA
662,FV511C Warrior 2010

So far only the first one went into production and is in service in real life afaik, but since the others are upgrades of the original, the same name convention would logically apply.


On a different aspect, the name of the unit
7101,Mi-2 Hoplite
has two spaces instead of one(before Hoplite). I haven`t looked to see what effect if any it might have in game, but I thought to point it out.
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The German T22 Elbing class vessels were frigates (large torpedo boats) not destroyers. And the Canadian Annapolis DDH and Restigouges DDE as well as the St. Laurent and Mackenzie's are also frigates not destroyers. Canada's first and only indiginous destroyers are the DDH280 Iroquois. The DDE/DE's of the early Cold War were the culmination of lessons learned during WWI and WWII they were slower and smaller than a destroyer and would eventually be re-classified as frigates in most western navies.
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Re: Unit Errata

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From Wiki
HMCS Annapolis (DDH 265) was an Annapolis-class destroyer
Col_Travis wrote:...would eventually be re-classified...
That's great, but in 1949 they were destroyers. And their weight certainly makes them valid in that class. There are lots of units that fall somewhere between two classes but we have to pick one and stay with that.
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Re: Unit Errata

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number47 wrote:PB-80 Helsinki class (unitID 19549) has 40km land/ship range. HUH
As much as I like this I'm not sure Bofors 57 mm/70 Mk1 cannon had such range but if there is some other reason for this PB to have such a range than disregard my post. :wink:
Same thing (40km land/ship range) with following patrol boats: P-961 Storm (unitID 19460), R-131 Norrkoping (unitID 19480) and P-986 Hauk (unitID 19498)...
bump :oops: with edit (unitID numbers)

error or intentional?
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number47 wrote:
number47 wrote:
number47 wrote:PB-80 Helsinki class (unitID 19549) has 40km land/ship range. HUH
As much as I like this I'm not sure Bofors 57 mm/70 Mk1 cannon had such range but if there is some other reason for this PB to have such a range than disregard my post. :wink:
Same thing (40km land/ship range) with following patrol boats: P-961 Storm (unitID 19460), R-131 Norrkoping (unitID 19480) and P-986 Hauk (unitID 19498)...
bump :oops: with edit (unitID numbers)

error or intentional?
Missile boats tend to carry missiles.. just saying.

(and if thats the reason for their range then it should probably be increased considering these boats were all equipped with RBS 15s which have a range of 70km. Course BG could have better info of the "effective" range of these hence the 40km)
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Re: Unit Errata

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Fistalis wrote:Missile boats tend to carry missiles.. just saying.

(and if thats the reason for their range then it should probably be increased considering these boats were all equipped with RBS 15s which have a range of 70km. Course BG could have better info of the "effective" range of these hence the 40km)
So, these missile boats have missiles hardcoded in their stats and can carry additional missiles? |O Interesting... :roll:
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number47 wrote:
Fistalis wrote:Missile boats tend to carry missiles.. just saying.

(and if thats the reason for their range then it should probably be increased considering these boats were all equipped with RBS 15s which have a range of 70km. Course BG could have better info of the "effective" range of these hence the 40km)
So, these missile boats have missiles hardcoded in their stats and can carry additional missiles? |O Interesting... :roll:
yes, its no different then air units that Have Sidewinder missiles and dumb bombs etc hardcoded into the stats but can still be loaded up with other missiles. If a specific missile isn't available in game due to whatever factor then they are usually hardcoded into the stats. And last I checked the RSB 15s aren't in game so are most likely built into the hardcoded stats. :wink:
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Re: Unit Errata

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Fistalis wrote:yes, its no different then air units that Have Sidewinder missiles and dumb bombs etc hardcoded into the stats but can still be loaded up with other missiles. If a specific missile isn't available in game due to whatever factor then they are usually hardcoded into the stats. And last I checked the RSB 15s aren't in game so are most likely built into the hardcoded stats. :wink:
I'm aware of that but there are RBS 15 missiles in the game (ID8597 is a naval one; there are also land and air versions present but they all have weird designations) so I didn't think this is the same case as airplanes. :wink:

Anyway, thanks for clarifiying.
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Re: Unit Errata

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Balthagor wrote:From Wiki
HMCS Annapolis (DDH 265) was an Annapolis-class destroyer
Col_Travis wrote:...would eventually be re-classified...
That's great, but in 1949 they were destroyers. And their weight certainly makes them valid in that class. There are lots of units that fall somewhere between two classes but we have to pick one and stay with that.
I'll deffinatly give you and BG that. Canadian naval development stated with modified 21 modified River class (FFE307 Prestonian class) then went to a Candadian modificatian of the RN Type-12 Whitby class FF (DDE205 St. Laurent) which with condinued modifications became the basis of all RCN escorts until the DDH280 Iroquois, one of the best gp destroyers of the Cold War. What I'm trying to say is that the Canadian DDE's starting with the HMCS St. Laurent should have roughly the same build time as their RN counterparts and the progress (80+ days to build to 160+ days). As for the T22 Elbing, it was the KM's only escort/frigate hence the designation T22(torpedo) not Z22(destroyer).

I definatly owe you and the rest of BG a beer after this update, except George he want's choclate!
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Re: Unit Errata

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Why did you (BG devs) decided to make SA-13 Gopher a soft target and the MT-LB that the sistem is based on is hard target?
I mean, I know this is not the mistake, I just need your reasoning behind this decision. :D
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Re: Unit Errata

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noted, thanks.
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