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 Post subject: Re: While I'm waitin on update 3..
PostPosted: Feb 10 2012 
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Not really.. I've tried not implementing it.. and it makes countries not like to declare war. It seems sphere Leanings is part of what the AI looks at when deciding if it wants to declare war or not. This is why the shattered world conversion is peacful.. no spheres implemented..

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My thoughts exactly!

So has the entire Ai logical for declaring war been overhauled from GC then? If so is there some way that it could be jimmied so that the Ai uses a system similar to GC and therefore doesn't use spheres?

Just spitballing here and even as I read it back now I realise just how silly the an idea it is!

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?+ Hey, Fistalis, how about a mod that would start in...let say, 1961?

What would be the focus of the mod? HUH
-Well, how about decolonization of Africa? :-)

Why 1961? HUH
-Well a lot of african countries gained their independence by 1961 (27 countries) so it would give a player good variety of playable nations in africa and would still leave enought colonies left to gain independence (26 countries gained independence from 1961-1993 and their decolonization should be scripted to happen when it did; maybe even if they are conquered ??? ) 8O

What would this mod give to a player that he doesn't already have in vanilla? HUH
-More playable countries in Africa. Maybe more wars in Africa (should be modded in). In vanilla, some countries never get independence...(I reached '80 and just 4-5 countries in Africa gained independence). One more thing, vanilla is either all out war between USSR and Nato (very high tensions) or no wars whatsoever (even on high tensions) apart from scripted Vietnam, Korean, Eritrean and Israeli wars (I will not even consider those wars that never go any further from pure declaration) :-?

How dificult would it be for me (Fistalis :lol: ) to make this mode? HUH
-Extremely! |O

Then why are you suggesting this, are you going to pay me for making this or what? HUH
- :-? Well...I...you see...urgh...actually... :oops: I thought you would enjoy the challenge, and it would give you something to do before Update 3 comes :D

Do you have any skills you could offer to assist me with the creation of this mod? :roll:
-Well, other than good will and enthusiasm (that are good only for research), no :-?

I'll let you know my decision soon... 8)

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Well Number 1... You have officially out done even yourself!

This is quite possibly one of the BEST ideas that I have heard for a mod! Seriously!

I always want to be able to take a more active role in Africa, or to conquer it. Yet I always end up in the same situation as you mentioned, unable to do anything without risking all out warfare with at least half the nations in Europe.

The fact that the UK and France own the majority of the nations in Africa and refuse to let go of them has always annoyed me, yet I have never even considered doing something to fix it, or even suggesting that someone else look into it!

You sir are a genius, (or maybe just an idiot savant :D) either way this is a great idea and I hope that at the very least Fistalis gives this some serious thought!

I am not on the same level as Fistalis or Ruges (or a whole host of other modders probably) when it comes to modding, but I can do bits and am more than happy to help out with anything that you want when if it comes to making this mod!

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You sir are a genius, (or maybe just an idiot savant :D) either way this is a great idea and I hope that at the very least Fistalis gives this some serious thought!

I know we have developed a special relationship these last few months :D , and I'm aware it is a joke :-) , but I still find it a little offensive :-?

Or maybe there is other meaning of idiot savant in english language that does not mean "a derogatory term for a person who has significant mental impairment and at the same time exhibits some extraordinary skills" HUH

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Still [_]OT

Hmmm perhaps idiot savant was a little to powerful a term to use, I have looked into the definition and the closest reasoning to what I meant was:
"Though it is even rarer than the savant condition itself, some savants have no apparent abnormalities other than their unique abilities. This does not mean that these abilities weren't triggered by a brain dysfunction of some sort but does temper the theory that all savants are disabled and that some sort of trade-off is required."

So perhaps I should have said average savant (although to be fair given the negative connotations that we give to the word "average" that doesn't sound much better!)

In fact perhaps I should leave it with a reassurance that I meant for no harm/insult to be caused by my comment, and it is more a case of my poor vocabulary struggling to find better means of describing what I meant to say!

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Apology accepted :D although I wasn't mad, I was just confused why would you say something like that HUH

Now that I have official confirmation that my brain is dysfunctional (I knew it before but I wasn't sure any good would come out of it :lol: :lol: ) all we need is for Fistalis to throw us a bone...a good bone :D (a positive one :lol: )

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number47 wrote:
?+ Hey, Fistalis, how about a mod that would start in...let say, 1961?

What would be the focus of the mod? HUH
-Well, how about decolonization of Africa? :-)

Why 1961? HUH
-Well a lot of african countries gained their independence by 1961 (27 countries) so it would give a player good variety of playable nations in africa and would still leave enought colonies left to gain independence (26 countries gained independence from 1961-1993 and their decolonization should be scripted to happen when it did; maybe even if they are conquered ??? ) 8O

What would this mod give to a player that he doesn't already have in vanilla? HUH
-More playable countries in Africa. Maybe more wars in Africa (should be modded in). In vanilla, some countries never get independence...(I reached '80 and just 4-5 countries in Africa gained independence). One more thing, vanilla is either all out war between USSR and Nato (very high tensions) or no wars whatsoever (even on high tensions) apart from scripted Vietnam, Korean, Eritrean and Israeli wars (I will not even consider those wars that never go any further from pure declaration) :-?

How dificult would it be for me (Fistalis :lol: ) to make this mode? HUH
-Extremely! |O

Then why are you suggesting this, are you going to pay me for making this or what? HUH
- :-? Well...I...you see...urgh...actually... :oops: I thought you would enjoy the challenge, and it would give you something to do before Update 3 comes :D

Do you have any skills you could offer to assist me with the creation of this mod? :roll:
-Well, other than good will and enthusiasm (that are good only for research), no :-?

I'll let you know my decision soon... 8)

This is an entirely new project the size of the modern world. It would require me to redo techs, units, the map etc (Basically everything). I'm not going to say I won't eventually do this.. but I don't want to start another project of this size while I still have one unfinished. After update 3 if I can get the modern world mod to a point I think is done I will consider this.

Until then I'm sticking to mini projects. That is projects I can use either the 1949 or my modern world files for and make minor changes to create a new scenario. (State of Unions mod is a good example, it uses 90% of the modern world files the only major change is the nations)

On a more pessimistic note, If alot of the issues are still there after update 3, I'll pretty much be shelving all my projects until the issues are addressed.

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Ok. But what do you think about the whole idea? This was not a strict request for the mod as some people post such requests. I meant my post to be primarily a discussion about potential new mod where nor year nor focus of this suggestion is fixed :wink: (everything is suposed to be open for discusion).

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One thing that I might mention is the rough timeline we are looking at for Update 3, every indication is that it will most likely be a couple of months before it see's the light of day... I just feel that this might be a factor given how much time there is between now and then!

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Number47 and domcoppinger's debates remind me of many married couples :lol: (just joking)

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 Post subject: Re: While I'm waitin on update 3..
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Do you want to take this one honey? Or should I?

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