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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Zuikaku wrote:
number47 wrote:
I know that Mig21-bisD has only some of the Lancer program upgrades but as the game only has 3 Mig-21 versions (Mig-21 Fishbed-C, Mig-21SM Fishbed-J and Mig-21 Lancer-A) the closes ingame unit to Croatian Mig-21bisD was Mig-21 Lancer-A. :wink:


Well, the only "upgrade" the D version has is GPS, new radios and NATO FFS system (friend or foe). nothing else. they didn't even repaired the original radars and newer radar was not installed. So, it is much closer to MiG21SM than Lancer...

And for the RBS-15 ...let's assume that half of them are beyond the repair and include only 15...

Well, Fistalis is the one to decide :lol:
I just answered your questions because I was involved in some parts of Croatian OOB fixes that were done some 20 pages ago :lol:

EDIT: forgot to mention that you are probably right about the Mig's :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Zuikaku wrote:
And whoever did the OOB research for 200 countries represented in the game, did colossal job! Respect! :wink:

Fistalis took the "skeleton" (frame) from SR2020 (Balthagor probably did all the research since he was in charge of unit creation back then) and than started to extensively adapt it to represent the current world. He is always open to suggestions when people have good info on wrong OOB. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
PostPosted: Apr 27 2012 
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Zuikaku wrote:
If I can suggest a few OOB errors:

Kosovo in real life have 2 special forces regiments

Croatia:
Does not have any of the Kotor class frigates. Montenegro has 2 in reserve. Croatia have 2 Helsinki class PGs and 3 indigineus (generic) missile PBs.
Noted

Does not have a second squadron of MiG-21 Lancers. Only one squadron of MiG-21s.
Noted will remove the squadron of Lancers Keep the Fishbed J
Does not have Mi-24s (or -Mi-35s) any more (scrapped 10 years ago)
according to my sources they had 6 up for sale.. granted the source used could very well be out of date
Does not have Degman tanks or M-84Ds (planned for production). It has only ~90 of M-84 Sniper tanks and ~200 T-55s in reserve
Croatia only starts with 2 M-95s since AFAIK there are only 2 fully operational prototypes. The number of t-55 should be correct already. The M84-A is correct, however in my latest test version it seems the AI had traded the full battalion off to someone during staging, or scrapped them leaving the starting at only 28

Have only 3 amphibious ships (lublin)
Noted
Have some (~ 20-30) RBS-15 missiles
I don't think I even looked at missiles for croatia :lol:
No SA-9 or SA-13
No Milan3
Noted both of these
Slovenia:
Does not have SA-9 or ZSU-57-2 , but it does have One Roland battery
Noted
Macedonia:
Have Su-25s in reserve
Noted

Hope this woul'd help you!


It helps alot thank you very much for the feedback. There are bound to be more mistakes in the OOBs, feel free to point any more you notice out. Quick note though.. occasionally I have it set right but due to a 2 game day staging process sometimes the AI will scrap or trade a unit or 2 meaning in the final release version there is a unit or 2 missing. (which is the case with the M-84a in the latest beta test version)
As to the M84D the AI decides what to build in that 2 day staging process.. that isn't something I set.

Also in the latest test version any modern infantry are marines. Even if that country doesn't technically have a marine force. (marines stats are much closer to what a modern infantry should be than the infantry unit which is like tech level 45)

MertcanKs wrote:
Hey Fistalis!!!!
When new version?

The latest beta test version is out for those who want to poke around with my most recent changes, however the next official release version won't be until after BG releases Update 3.

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Zuikaku wrote:
And whoever did the OOB research for 200 countries represented in the game, did colossal job! Respect! :wink:

Fistalis took the "skeleton" (frame) from SR2020 (Balthagor probably did all the research since he was in charge of unit creation back then) and than started to extensively adapt it to represent the current world. He is always open to suggestions when people have good info on wrong OOB. 8)

100% correct. I have done extensive research for some to make fixes to their OOBs while others haven't been touched and are pretty much exactly that of sr2020. Rather than researching every nation one by one I wait for someone to point out an issue with a nation and while I'm fixing the OOB I'll research that nation and try to remove any other mistakes.

Its an ongoing process and really depends on the amount of feedback I get how much gets fixed. Since if no one notices there is an issue with an OOB its not likely to get fixed. In most cases the SR2020 OOB is pretty much spot on and I only have to make changes to nations OOBs that have happened since development stopped on 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Fistalis wrote:
Fistalis took the "skeleton" (frame) from SR2020...


Yeah, still very proud of that. Big nod to Geminicorsair here on the forum for all his help.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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number47 wrote:
Well, Fistalis is the one to decide :lol:
I just answered your questions because I was involved in some parts of Croatian OOB fixes that were done some 20 pages ago :lol:

EDIT: forgot to mention that you are probably right about the Mig's :wink:


Sorry, I discovered Supreme ruler recently.... and didn't read all the posts here... only recent ones...


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Fistalis wrote:
according to my sources they had 6 up for sale.. granted the source used could very well be out of date


Well, not any more. They were put outside the hangar when sent to reserve. And the weather and neglection did the rest. They planned to sell them to Georgia, but when their delegation came, it was obvious they are beyond repair.
Even on the wiki- no Mi-24s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_A ... ir_Defence

I also noticed that Serbia has some Styx missiles in it's inventory. This is wrong ,as these missiles were ceded to Montenegro- along with the navy. They are probably broken due lack of maintenance ,just like the rest of the fleet....

anyway, great job doing those OOBs! I did TOAW scenario for Iraqi-Iranian war and it took me months to get correct OOBs for them.... So, I'm impressed!


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Zuikaku wrote:
Fistalis wrote:
according to my sources they had 6 up for sale.. granted the source used could very well be out of date


Well, not any more. They were put outside the hangar when sent to reserve. And the weather and neglection did the rest. They planned to sell them to Georgia, but when their delegation came, it was obvious they are beyond repair.
Even on the wiki- no Mi-24s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_A ... ir_Defence

I also noticed that Serbia has some Styx missiles in it's inventory. This is wrong ,as these missiles were ceded to Montenegro- along with the navy. They are probably broken due lack of maintenance ,just like the rest of the fleet....

anyway, great job doing those OOBs! I did TOAW scenario for Iraqi-Iranian war and it took me months to get correct OOBs for them.... So, I'm impressed!


Check the list of retired units on that wiki page :wink:

9 Mil Mi-24D/V - withdrawn in 2002 (Mi-24D) and 2005 (Mi-24V), 6 up for sale :lol:
But if they are beyond use then yes I will remove them.

BG gets credit for most of the OOBs. They gave me a great starting point so I only had to do modifications to them and not totally write them all from scratch.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Great Mod!, but would it not work better to have Palestine as a colony of Israel rather than just a part of it?, I don't think it really changes anything, but anyway, It is great not having to scream for 20 years trying to build an economy from nothing

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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arcstarscream wrote:
Great Mod!, but would it not work better to have Palestine as a colony of Israel rather than just a part of it?, I don't think it really changes anything, but anyway, It is great not having to scream for 20 years trying to build an economy from nothing

Gaza is independent.. the west bank is occupied.. hence its part of israel. :wink:

(1993 Oslo accords gave the palestinians roughly 18% of the westbank the Israelis 61% and the remainder is shared.. so its hard to make an argument for either colony or independence for the west bank)

Edit: Although given the Fatah/Hamas split of Palestine I may need to rethink the way I have the region setup since As of now I have Mahmoud Abbas as the Palestinian ruler.. when he actually is head of the Fatah controlled territories(west Bank).. and Gaza is controlled primarily by Hamas. At the very least I need to switch the Palestinian leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Fist, don't remove SA-13 from Croatian OOB...I explained to zuikaku why they should be there (those are Strela 10 CRO, croatian verision on SA-13)

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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number47 wrote:
Fist, don't remove SA-13 from Croatian OOB...I explained to zuikaku why they should be there (those are Strela 10 CRO, croatian verision on SA-13)

Haven't touched the OOB yet, and just because I noted it doesn't mean Its going to change.. it means I need to check my sources and change if needed. Alot of times I may have decided on a unit choice for a specific reason I don't remember at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Really love the Mod, however i did notice some of the unit costs are really inflated compared to SR2020, specifically the B2, c17, C5 and some other transports that i can't remember. Was this something done on purpose ?


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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NitrousOxide wrote:
Really love the Mod, however i did notice some of the unit costs are really inflated compared to SR2020, specifically the B2, c17, C5 and some other transports that i can't remember. Was this something done on purpose ?

I think this an engine change we made regarding how pricing is done. It should actually be more realistic now attaching inflation to prices based on their "age" vs. the game date.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Balthagor wrote:
NitrousOxide wrote:
Really love the Mod, however i did notice some of the unit costs are really inflated compared to SR2020, specifically the B2, c17, C5 and some other transports that i can't remember. Was this something done on purpose ?

I think this an engine change we made regarding how pricing is done. It should actually be more realistic now attaching inflation to prices based on their "age" vs. the game date.


Very nice, although the C5 will become stupidly expensive as it already starts like that at the start of the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern World Scenario v0.81b ( Supreme ruler cold war MO
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Balthagor wrote:
NitrousOxide wrote:
Really love the Mod, however i did notice some of the unit costs are really inflated compared to SR2020, specifically the B2, c17, C5 and some other transports that i can't remember. Was this something done on purpose ?

I think this an engine change we made regarding how pricing is done. It should actually be more realistic now attaching inflation to prices based on their "age" vs. the game date.


This.
Out side some specific units I haven't touched pricing.

(specific units being those who ran over budget after BG did the pricing, and continue to balloon, primarily the F-22 and the F-35.)

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