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I just need an idea of how much bribing or what have you is necessary to sway a country's opinion of you any noticeable amount. Everything I've read thus far has said bribe, trade, etc. and it will eventually raise. Well, does anyone know what influences whether it raises or not, and when I could expect to see something tangible in the relations bars?

I am playing Ireland, and being a neutral country, everyone from both spheres is pretty much indifferent to me. However, this means no possibility of alliances without leaning to one sphere or the other, and I've realized the fact that I am a weak country (and will be for many, many in-game years) surrounded by powerful blue spherians means I need to go blue to really accomplish anything initially.

I've been throwing diplomatic offers at the U.S. and U.K left and right, but I generally have a surplus of fresh water, agriculture, and timber, so that's what I offer them, asking nothing in return. And I've yet to see the relations bars move the slightest bit. I also have a nice surplus of petroleum, but its rare on the world market and I don't want to just give it up (I would definitely consider selling it to them if I knew it would make a difference). I guess that's it, I just need to know the types of deals under what circumstances make a difference and what doesn't, so my efforts are not for naught.

Thanks guys!

Its based on the worth of the trade. The more you give the better you will see relations get. The problem with using commodities is many times it takes TONS of a commodity to = any real value.

For a basic guide. You won't see any large bump from say 100m$ (goods or cash) but those small trades will add up over time(you get a relations bump but its small enough that its not readily noticeable on the bar). However if you give them 1000m$ (again goods or cash) you will see an immediate jump in relations. A gift of say 40,000m$ will result in a ~ 25% gain in relations.

The trick is to give gifts of medium size... often. Too large and your wasting resources for a diminishing return. Too small and your not maximizing the benefit.

Try to only gift when you have 500m+ worth of goods and keep doing it. It adds up over time.

Also avoid daily or monthly trades.. when bribing. Your better off with lump sums.

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Perfect, thanks man.

Just wanted to add.. the commodity issue is worse in CW than it was in say 2020 or in my modern world mod since goods are just so darn cheap.

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Alright, so the UK government is delighted with me, the UK citizens are pleased with me, my government is satisfied (maybe pleased) with the UK, and my citizens remain concerned with the UK (orange bar).

Yet I can't even get them to consider a Criminal Extradition treaty. My only two guesses are that maybe my citizen approval of them is keeping a treaty from happening, or possibly more time needs to pass before they are open to treaties? My diplomatic difficulty is normal, btw.

Criminal Extradition treaty is much difficult to obtain than in sr2020 and some other treaties are easier...

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This.

Criminal extradition is actually one of the harder treaties to get.

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That's cool, that makes sense, considering how touchy criminal extradition can be in real life, even between allies.

Alright, there has to be something else influencing this. The UK still loves me, and many months later, I still cannot get any treaties. Denmark loves me AND I love Denmark (the one country I've buttered up so far where the sentiment is mutual), but I still cannot get any treaties. United States will soon love me, but I suspect I will have the same luck with them. *Grumble* I suspected that maybe if more blue spherians like me, then maybe that will slightly increase my chances of getting a treaty with ONE of them, and then once I have that alliance, it will be easier to get an alliance with one more, sort of like a chain reaction process. So I figured a small country like Denmark would be the ticket to other treaties. But nope, seems to be having no effect whatsoever.

I've considering beginning military aggression without forming any alliances, but that I think would be a very frustrating experience.

Diplomatic score, maybe?

Meter goes above 100%. Then you need to go for mutual protection at the same time as an alliance.

In a quick test as ireland it took me roughly 6000m$ worth of bribes above a full meter to the UK before they would sign an alliance.. and only with a mutual protection pact at the same time. More bribes and I coulda got them to sign it without the mutual defense at the same time but why waste the money.

and of course depending on your diplomatic difficulty setting it could be harder that was on the default medium.

The issue is the AI is extremely wary of signing an alliance with anyone who is not the same sphere. If you were leaning NATO they would sign easier.
The difference between your sphere rating and theirs increases the amount of "happiness" you need from them before they will sign.

Best tip is keep bribing and try offering all treaties at once after each bribe.

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I am going to build you a shrine in Dublin

Patience is a virtue...

Now allied with UK, Israel, and Denmark, and working on the US.

Thanks for dealing with my impatience