Facism

[LeonTrotsky]

I think at some point they should add Fascism as a government type. A better alternative to dictatorship. Any thoughts?

[iuvart]

Facism is an ideology, not a government type.

Out of curiosity though, how is it "a better alternative to dictatorship"?

[LeonTrotsky]

Dictatorships come in all different forms. Some with everything including the market controlled by one entity. Fascism not only inspired the people (through propaganda) but also believed in stuff like private property. In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system. Fascist economics supports the existence of private property, the existence of a market economy and the use of the profit motive.

Vs.

A Dictatorship is what I would more point towards despotism (though not necessarily all the time) is a form of government in which a single entity, called the despot, rules with absolute power. That entity may be an individual, as in an autocracy, or it may be a group, as in an oligarchy. The word despotism means to "rule in the fashion of a despot" and should not be confused with "despot", an individual.

Look, though Fascism and a Dictatorship are related and intertwined I would say Fascism is very much a cult of personality along with much more freedom for personal profit.

[Gurc]

Dictatorships come in all different forms. Some with everything including the market controlled by one entity. Fascism not only inspired the people (through propaganda) but also believed in stuff like private property. In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system. Fascist economics supports the existence of private property, the existence of a market economy and the use of the profit motive.

You sound just like wikipedia. Give reference please when you use copy paste. This is someone's work.

[Roland040]

Well there is rather a fine line between what is Fascism and what is a dictatorship. One good example is Gen Franco of Spain. He started off as a Fascist with Fascist supporters but gradually moved more to a south American like dictatorship. Same with Castro of Cuba the other way round. Started as a revolutionary freedom fighter and when it suited him needing Soviet aid he became a Communist. Even political ideology has its expediences.

[nick-bang]

Facism is an ideology, not a government type.

Out of curiosity though, how is it "a better alternative to dictatorship"?

No actually it is a government type as was experienced in Franco´s Spain and Mussolinis Italy. Just as National Socialism was one in Germany. And just like Agrarian Communism was in China, Open Communism was in Tito´s Jugoslavia, industrial Socialism was in USSR and Paranoid/introvert Stalinism is in North Korea.

That doesnt mean that they are GOOD or rational- they are all vile and based on the lowest human traits, but their proponents still live by their twisted ideas.

[Col_Travis]

Facism is an ideology, not a government type.

Out of curiosity though, how is it "a better alternative to dictatorship"?

No actually it is a government type as was experienced in Franco´s Spain and Mussolinis Italy. Just as National Socialism was one in Germany. And just like Agrarian Communism was in China, Open Communism was in Tito´s Jugoslavia, industrial Socialism was in USSR and Paranoid/introvert Stalinism is in North Korea.

That doesnt mean that they are GOOD or rational- they are all vile and based on the lowest human traits, but their proponents still live by their twisted ideas.

Mussolinis' Italy was a monarchy, not a real dictatorship just an idiology.

[tofofnts]

Government:
Republic,
Single-party state,
Fascist dictatorship

[nick-bang]

Mussolinis' Italy was a monarchy, not a real dictatorship just an idiology.

With all due respect: that is complete Nonsense and unfouded irrationalism. The king was a puppet - and a very useless one at that. The fact of the matter is that Victor Emmanuel was not even a true head of a consitutional monarchy.
He had zero power and no influence. He was wheeled out at the proper moments to wave and nod and pronptly put away for storage again, leaving Mussolini and his regime to do excatly what they wanted.
Even if he retained some theoretical power, then de facto he had none.

Hence it makes no sense to claim that it was a monarchy and obviously even less to claim it wanst a dictatorship - which is evident for countless well-documented reasons.

[nick-bang]

Government:
Republic,
Single-party state,
Fascist dictatorship

Actually having a republic is in no way a prereqisite for having a dictatorship, point of example being North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Soviet Union - to name a few. If that was the point you were trying to make ?
At any rate then I am really fed up having every crackpot dictators crazy regime being labelled "fascist". Many of them including the luckily late Ghadaffi was in essence Apolitical, a majority claimed some form of connection for communism/socialism (which incidentally were a driving factor in a majority of the middleeastern dictatorships in the form of the baath parties in Syria and Iraq).

Not that I am defending fascism or nazism. At all.

But frankly I dont give a flying f... what you call the twisted anti-humanitarian, anti-democratic and lawless dictatorships, then the fact is that socialism, communism, fascism or nazism share a great many things, including iconograhphy, use of power against the people and any dissidents, historical revisionism and the abolishing of any democratic institutions including free press, free unions and free elections !

[tofofnts]

Government:
Republic,
Single-party state,
Fascist dictatorship

Actually having a republic is in no way a prereqisite for having a dictatorship, point of example being North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Soviet Union - to name a few. If that was the point you were trying to make ?
At any rate then I am really fed up having every crackpot dictators crazy regime being labelled "fascist". Many of them including the luckily late Ghadaffi was in essence Apolitical, a majority claimed some form of connection for communism/socialism (which incidentally were a driving factor in a majority of the middleeastern dictatorships in the form of the baath parties in Syria and Iraq).

Not that I am defending fascism or nazism. At all.

But frankly I dont give a flying f... what you call the twisted anti-humanitarian, anti-democratic and lawless dictatorships, then the fact is that socialism, communism, fascism or nazism share a great many things, including iconograhphy, use of power against the people and any dissidents, historical revisionism and the abolishing of any democratic institutions including free press, free unions and free elections !

no i'm just saying that fascism is a gov. type and not an ideology

[LeonTrotsky]

Dictatorships come in all different forms. Some with everything including the market controlled by one entity. Fascism not only inspired the people (through propaganda) but also believed in stuff like private property. In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system. Fascist economics supports the existence of private property, the existence of a market economy and the use of the profit motive.

You sound just like wikipedia. Give reference please when you use copy paste. This is someone's work.

I used Wikipedia as inspiration and drew some words from it. However I formulated and put this together. If you go to the page you can even see for yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

And Gurc, this is an informal "Forum." Thus is it really a requirement I source every little word I say, no. It's not. If I remember correctly (as I wrote this a few months ago) trans-class is a borrowed word as is profit motive and stuff. Other than that the rest of the words come from me. If I was writing a paper for my college Politics classes then I would be citing references using APA and MLA depending on the professor. Go ahead and copy all that into Google, what d'ya know it doesn't come up with anything but this forum!

Again I am not for Fascism, I would just like varied government types and benefits in the game other than the basic three. Quite frankly I despise all single party or person governmental system as democracy is the world's best hope for world peace.

[chipper10]

Government:
Republic,
Single-party state,
Fascist dictatorship

Actually having a republic is in no way a prereqisite for having a dictatorship, point of example being North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Soviet Union - to name a few. If that was the point you were trying to make ?
At any rate then I am really fed up having every crackpot dictators crazy regime being labelled "fascist". Many of them including the luckily late Ghadaffi was in essence Apolitical, a majority claimed some form of connection for communism/socialism (which incidentally were a driving factor in a majority of the middleeastern dictatorships in the form of the baath parties in Syria and Iraq).

Not that I am defending fascism or nazism. At all.

But frankly I dont give a flying f... what you call the twisted anti-humanitarian, anti-democratic and lawless dictatorships, then the fact is that socialism, communism, fascism or nazism share a great many things, including iconograhphy, use of power against the people and any dissidents, historical revisionism and the abolishing of any democratic institutions including free press, free unions and free elections !

no i'm just saying that fascism is a gov. type and not an ideology[/quote]
The bold term is the government type. the stuff in green is the ideology of that particular government type.

[arcstarscream]

well all government types are formed off of ideology like conservatives, socialists, liberals. Fascism and communism are just extreme versions of conservatism and socialism respectively, although fascism and communism are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, if communism exists in game, why not Fascism? although i don't know if there were many fascist states left after ww2

and a dictatorship can actually be quite different from a fascist dictatorship, just like a communist dictatorship can be different then a dictatorship, because the ideologies tend to impact their decisions in running the country like communist china after ww2

[Aragos]

If I may inject on this interesting debate...

1) I think, perhaps, there is a violent agreement amongst the posters.

2) Perhaps the issue is one between "government organization," "political ideology," and "economic structure."

Examples:

USA: Government organization, Federal Republic. Political ideology, representative democracy. Economic structure, free trade market economy.

USSR (under Stalin): Government organization, Federal Republic. Political ideology, Communist dictatorship. Economic structure, state communism.

Make sense? The "organization" is how the state is organized (e.g., a Federal Republic (where regions are technically independent, but subordinated to a central government) vs. the political ideology (e.g., this is where fascism would go) vs. how the state sees economics (and yes, you could have 'free market fascism' here, or 'communist controlled semi-capitalism' or whatever).

This, perhaps is where all the confusion is coming from.