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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 19 2011 
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We are waiting on Steam. Ask Steam if you'd like an ETA...

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 19 2011 
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Would they even know? SR:CW isn't listed in any of the "Coming Soon" or "Newly Released" lists. But SR2020 and basically all of the other recent paradox Interactive games have been released on Steam, so I see no reason why this one won't.


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 20 2011 
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Balthagor wrote:
We are waiting on Steam. Ask Steam if you'd like an ETA...

Thank you. Steam going to ask.. :)

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 20 2011 
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i forgot to mention this, but you i can't even find supreme ruler 2020 for sale up on steam.


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 20 2011 
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We've sent them more keys. No idea what they're waiting for... |O

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Jul 20 2011 
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See Balthagor that is a problem that might occur with steam. I have multiple games with steam but if I can get it on Gamersgate I will get it over there. Steam is always more expensive than gamersgate, as well as it does not rewards loyalty. Gamersgate appreciates my business by giving blue coins and better prices. Therefore any time a game is available in both platforms I go with Gamersgate.

So I believe as long as your games are always available on other digital retailers apart from steam then there would not be a problem and leave the choice up to the customer.


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Aug 20 2011 
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Balthagor wrote:
We've sent them more keys. No idea what they're waiting for... |O



For all those individuals who for reasons unknown actually claim that Steam is a good option and that Steam should be the only outlet or at least that everybody should register there (which fortunately was dropped thanks to the wisdom of BG - THANK YOU BG !) ... then let me just point out the following:

I bought it on Steam because i wanted to test it to and besides the issues described above, then
A) they have insolent customer "service" - which inevitably always directs you to the manufacturers which will then in 50 % of the times direct you back to Steam. Every operation taking 3-5 working days ... or more as Steam apparently only have ONE employee in their CS.
b) Steam has YET to upgrade the game to the latest patch
c) The fools have failed to provide an electronic manual which I had to get from somewhere else.

Steam´s lack of competence does not excuse their lack of interest in their customers!


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Aug 20 2011 
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Ruges wrote:
Personaly I am for it. 2-3 years ago I would have said no. But now the advantages far outweight the disadvantages. And there are misconceptions with steam.

For instance, everyone fells that if steam goes belly up, you will no longer get to play your game. Which is not true, Valve has stated that in the event of some kind of company shutdown, Steam would be reconfigured to disable authentication and allow you to play your games in offline mode.
Yes ... AND ? You seem to forget that most people have not installed all of their games - and what of you buy a new computer and need to do a reinstall of the games?
So there would be a few tittles that you would still have issues with, But that is not to say that the developer of the tittle would not offer a solution (do you really beleive that if Steam went under, that BG would not help its playerbase stay connected?)
You base that guess on what exactly - do you really believe that all the manufacturers will establish a huge customer service to wipe Valves a.. in case of a major breakdown or other unforseen event - and that is not taking into account those who have gone out of business or merged with another company. In short: its not going to happen !
And who really thinks steam is going under at this point in time? Thats like saying Walmart is going to close all its doors.
Steam is not that big. At all.

Updates, You dont have to update your game.
Ohhhh ... really ... ??? Then how the he.. is it that I have to manually apply patches to many game - INCLUDING SRCW ??? Which by the way is almost impossible when you have installed it via Steam...

Under the library pane, tittles. If you right click one of your games and go to properties. Then select the updates tab. And you can select if you want it to update automaticaly, or for it not to.
Which sometimes works and sometimes dont - point of example being all paradox´s games to start with.
Also reguarding overwriting your moded data. Steam does not do that unless you want it to. With Auto updates on, it will only overwrite your files when a new patch comes out or you select verify integrity of game files.
And with auto updates off you wont get any patches - and they are a BIHAC to do manually !
With Auto updates off it will only overwrite your moded files when you select very integrity of game files. Also reguarding this game, So far there are only 3 moded files that would get overwriten during a patch (if the moder did it right and used his own files instead of the originals). which you could then take out and reapply after manualy telling it to install the patch.
Yeah yeah - however I have experienced lots of crashes when I do that. So many in fact that I got fed up and bought it from Gamersgate instead !

Steams a resource hog. Now this I have not seen. Granted I have a quad core, And since games are not consuming 100 percent of every core, steam has plenty of its own power. Not that it seems to need much. really I do not notice a performance hit at all. The only time I noticed it seemed to be a hog was on startup. There would be huge delays on when I told it to start and when it was ready to play. I found out a couple reason for this. I had allot of games on auto update. Take this off and you will notice an improment. Although the biggest improvment you will see is selecting the right region and connection speed for yourself. When you clcik on steam in the top left. then settings, then go over to the downloads and clouds, In this tab select your proper connection speed and region. I noticed a huge increase in speed when I changed it to my local city instead of one that was on the other coast. Also start steam when your computer starts, That way you dont have to notice it load.
It still wastes my bandwith though as its continually updating etc...

There are allot of advantages to having it on steam. Lets face it, this is not a huge tittle.
Yes it is. A very big one in fact. Maybe not for you - but who cares what your computer does when its my computer that I have to play it on. And mine is not and old or crappy one either (edit: I misunderstood you - thinking you meant trouble/issue instead of Title - my bad, Im sorry. In that light then I would have to say, that exactly because its not a huge title then Steam is probably not the best venue - because they only vare about the cashcows.
There are not going to be any TV comercials. We might see a few Magazine advertisments. But really it is going to be a hidden tittle.
And you know this for a fact because you work for them? (edit: as per above, however what do you know about BG and Paradox advertising plans?
Steam offers a good place to advertise the game. And if sales get stale They can always put the game on sale to intice new buyers. Also more buyers of the game means more support for the players. (BG seems like the type of company that if a game sells well, better then anticipated, they will offer more and more content threw patches)
A what ? BG is the type of company that gives the best customer service and continually upgrades their games no matter how big the sale is ! This has always been the case. I dont think I understand your point?

Never have to search for a patch, or see if your game is updated to the current patch. Steam does it for you.
No less false than when you wrote it the first time - end of discussion !

Could be a huge boon for Multiplayer. If everyone is on steam, and joins the Cold War group. You can see who has the game and who is online and who plays it in multiplayer. So you can find people to play with easily. And again if you play with people you can add them to your friends list so you can see when they are online and you can ask them if they would like to play. And if the game does not have voice coms, nore does everyone have TS or Mumble, you can always use steam voice chat to comunicate.
Okay - I can actually see that. If the MP function works in Steam that is.

You can easily transfer to new computers. And play on multiple (not at the same time thow, Well threw a LAN setup I have heard it is possible todo).
Exactly as you can with Gamersgate and Impulse

No discs needed, you will never loose your game from a lost or damaged disc.
As above

No lost codes, you will never loose your game becouse you lost your passcode.
No here you will lose ALL your games if you forget your passcode... or what do you mean?

Stat tracking, you can see how many hours you have played each game to see if you are getting your value out of it.
You need a program to tell you that ?????

Did I mention sales? Steam loves its sales. you can find games up to 80% off. and regularly at 50%.
And WHY would THAT be a good argument for Battlegoat (Or us for that matter - we are not talking about a flood of games)???

My only question to BG is are you guys going to support it on Steam? I would be pretty pissed buying it on steam. And then having you guys not support the expansions (IE like you guys did with 2020 and GC). But other then that, I see no reason not to have it on steam. Peoples fears for wanting that hard disk is moot. Its akin to prefering to listen to your music on records instead of MP3, or other forms of digital media.
No it is not - STEAM is not the only operator. And those points you make are EXACTLY one of the reasons why I dislike Steam - because its Steam and not BG which is the problem here


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Dec 28 2011 
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nick-bang wrote:
Ruges wrote:

Steam is not that big. At all. steampowered.com is ranked #815 website IN THE WORLD

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Feb 15 2012 
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tofofnts wrote:
nick-bang wrote:
Ruges wrote:

Steam is not that big. At all. steampowered.com is ranked #815 website IN THE WORLD


yeah AND ?

Comparing it to wallmart is plainly irrational and stupid no matter the intention.

Anyway between all the arguments I made why Steam is a worthless and steaming pile of dung - you choose to focus on THAT ?


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Feb 15 2012 
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You have no arguments for why they shouldn't put it on steam, just fOr why you don't like it. Face it many gamers haven't heard of SRCW. By putting it on steam they increase it exponentially. Do you have an argument for why it's not worth a few minutes of there time to practically triple there sales???

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Feb 15 2012 
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Last time it was looked at, steam accounted for circa 70% of digital game sales.

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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Feb 15 2012 
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tofofnts wrote:
You have no arguments for why they shouldn't put it on steam, just fOr why you don't like it. Face it many gamers haven't heard of SRCW. By putting it on steam they increase it exponentially. Do you have an argument for why it's not worth a few minutes of there time to practically triple there sales???


Do you know that for a fact or are you merely making a theoretical point to support your position on Steam ?

And I made numerous arguments why they should not use Steam exclusively - which was the point of this post to start with.


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Mar 15 2012 
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Personally I hope the next BG titles will continue to also come in a version that does not require steam(or similar online distribution and authorization). Otherwise I will definitely stop buying them no matter how good they`ll be. I`ve already given up on game series which I used to buy and play for something like a decade precisely because they became steam exclusive so I know I can keep my word on this one.


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 Post subject: Re: A Steam-y question...
PostPosted: Mar 16 2012 
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tofofnts wrote:
You have no arguments for why they shouldn't put it on steam, just fOr why you don't like it. Face it many gamers haven't heard of SRCW. By putting it on steam they increase it exponentially. Do you have an argument for why it's not worth a few minutes of there time to practically triple there sales???


only reason I have it is I found it on Steam after getting Some Total War - now, that does not mean I wholly endorse Steam - I loath not having it on disk, I'm old school and I like to physically have a copy - And as soon as I get off my lazy arse I'll order up a hard copy of SRCW (got link?)

...just sayin...

EDIT: In no way is it a good idea to have it EXCLUSIVELY on Steam, that decision would have no justification for a host of reasons..


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