Suggestion on Iranian military

[Farid]

First of all, thanks Balthagor for the replacement install file, so I am able to play this great game again!
Since I've been long researching Iranian military, and finding out that the military part of Iran are relatively inaccurate and detailedness in game, so I want make some suggestion as a feedback of my my love toward the game. All reference of my suggestions are base on reliable source like wiki or Globalsecurity. (Warning: I'm interested in Iranian military doesn't means I politically support Iran, plz leave any meaningless political trash away from this thread, thx)

Air Force:

Changing Iranian F-14 into interceptor or cancel it:
Since Iran really lacking strong interceptor currently, it's impossible for IRIAF to make F-14 into an attacker, it's the strongest interceptor in IRIAF, and best use for air dominance. That's why the Iranians did cancel th plan make F-14 into attacker during Iran-Iraq war, which considered as the first attempt in the world to make a "bomber tomcat". Also, it's quite possible IRIAF may no longer operate any F-14 in the near future. Since they can only overhauled it interiorly , the external part may collapse in the near future. (So the Iranian purchase of Su-30 from Russia are regarded as a replacement project)


Adding future Iranian fighter design:
Since Iran has the second-advanced military aviation technology in Middle East(the most advanced one is Israel), it's quite unreasonable it do not have any future fighter design in game, while the technology-backward North Korea do. Name for those fighters may be: Altair (Arabic: the flying one), Oghab (Persian: Eagle), Safir (Persian: messenger), Qiyamah (Arabic, Persian: the day of judgment)


Adding some ASM of Iranian Origin:
Since Iran are the only two country in the Middle east capable of manufacturing smart bomb(again, the other one is Israel). It would be reasonable to add some Iranian smart bombs just as Israel did in the game. For example: Qased 2000lbs PGMs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qased


Adding AH-1 SuperCobra into Iranian unit design list:
Iran did made some slightly upgraded overhaul AH-1J Sea Cobra refit with domestically-made components without license, they called it "Panha 2091". It's quite possible they will produce it in the near future.(for example:2020 )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panha_2091

Adding UH-1N Huey into Iranian unit design list:
Iran did manufacture reverse engineered version of Bell 205 in 1998, so it's quite weird they still can not produce UH-1N Huey in 2020 in game. They called their Huey "Shabaviz 2-75".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panha_Shabaviz_2-75


Move Iranian aircraft fabrication into X:1144, Y:250:
The largest Iranian aviation company:Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial Company(HESA, short in Persian pronunciation) which is responsible for the design and manufacturing of F-I Azarakhsh, Shafaq and IR-140 is located in north-west of Isfahan. The first test fly of Shafaq also hold in HESA air base according to Iranian officials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Aircr ... al_Company

I will post the Army, Navy and the Space part later...........

[Balthagor]

All of this could be modded it, we will keep it in mind for future updates.

However the F-14s won't be changed to Interceptors, that was a conscious choice. Since Iran does not have any Phoenix missiles for their F-14s they can't have the stats of an F-14A or F-14D interceptor. We could make another entry for it. Remember that the class of a unit is only to help players find/classify it. You can still use a fighter to intercept, it's just that the stats make it more useful as a fighter.

[StrikeForce20]

how do you take a screenshot?

[Ruges]

how do you take a screenshot?

http://www.bgforums.com/forums/search.p ... mit=Search

http://www.bgforums.com/forums/viewtopi ... screenshot


And too OP, Those are the kinda mod idea's that I am looking for my mod.

[Farid]

All of this could be modded it, we will keep it in mind for future updates.

Sure thing. I've already modded it.
I will add some further details about the problem with Iranian air force I'd forget to type before, then I will type the army, navy and the space part, you could just take those data as reference. I just want to make this game more perfect and accurate.
Also, I think I may find some mistake about some Asian air forces as well, I may post them later after I finish this one.

However the F-14s won't be changed to Interceptors, that was a conscious choice. Since Iran does not have any Phoenix missiles for their F-14s they can't have the stats of an F-14A or F-14D interceptor. We could make another entry for it. Remember that the class of a unit is only to help players find/classify it. You can still use a fighter to intercept, it's just that the stats make it more useful as a fighter.

As for this, I agree with you. I just finding out a Iranian F-14 attacker is quite strange, neglecting the fact that they do not have any AIM-54 Phoenix for their F-14 to use. Despite various source did suggest Iran continues to produce parts of AIM-54 Phoenix clandestinely, currently no any reliable source did confirm it succeed or not. It's reasonable to weaken Iranian F-14 rather then boasting it.

[Farid]

Now continue with the air force part:


Some more ideas about future Iranian fighter design:
Since Iran did in close cooperation with Russia in aviation industry. For example, the Iran-140 was designed base on Antonov An-140(of course, with Russian license). Also the development of Shafaq can be root from Mikoyan Project LFI program(the same series of canceled Russian aviation development with MIG 1.44). So I think it should be reasonable to make some Russian origin Iranian future fighter.(For example, MIG 1.44!!! OK, it's just my personal favor, but I think it's worthy to refer to )
Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ATF


Some other examples of Iranian made smart bomb:
Qadr 2000lbs PGMs

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... n/qadr.htm


Zoobin 750lbs PGMs

The left one.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... zoobin.htm


Adding some Iranian origin UAV:
The most famous Iranian UAV including Mohajer(Persian:migrant) and Ababil, both are quite infamous in the west due its usage of Hezbollah and suspected Iranian spying on Iraq and American fleets in Persian Gulf. So I think SR 2020 may at least add this two designs into game due to their infamous in the west .

Mohajer UAV, which did success in scouting Nahariya of Israel by Hezbollah, make a symbolic success for the later.
source:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ohajer.htm


Ababil UAV, unlike the above, this one was shot down by the Israeli forces. It's capable of carrying a 45kg warhead.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ababil.htm

OK, the air force part is finished this time. I will post the army,navy, and space part later!

[Chesehead]

I like it. It adds a good touch of realism to the game.

[ollobrains]

remember u can always trade offshore for stuff u are missing that said what about future iranian designs do they come in 120 tech plus ?

[Farid]

remember u can always trade offshore for stuff u are missing that said what about future iranian designs do they come in 120 tech plus ?

Sure, I did buy those "missing technologies" before my mod is completed.

As for Iranian future fighters, the most possible one may be M-ATF which Iran had developed with Russia: (Iran change the plan into Shafaq attacker may because Russia dropped off the plan for several reasons and Iran current;y still unable to produce this advanced light fighter. The designs of M-ATF by Russia are still left in Iran, though.)
Pics:



From Kish Air show 2005
I did not research it carefully yet, so I'm not sure its tech level requirement. But here are some more data as reference(M-ATF is called Vityaz 2000 for Russia):



also, some other future Iranian fighter may just be a Sukhoi or unused Mikoyan design (for example:Su-30 or Mig 1.44)with local upgrade. Its tech level requirement should a bit higher than its original design since it's not easy for Iran to made these advance fighters within 25 years(I mean from 2009, not 2020)......
I will post the army and navy part later, maybe we can discuss future tanks, MLRS, self-propelled howitzer, or ships as well.

[Chesehead]

This could be intresting. I never knew about this program. I see that fighter being a F-35 with less capibiltys/stealth and also being cheaper.

[Farid]

This could be intresting. I never knew about this program. I see that fighter being a F-35 with less capibiltys/stealth and also being cheaper.

It would be an excellent choice for emerging 3rd world countries like Iran or China (much better than old designing J-10), too bad Russia did drop off the plan so it may only possible to complete 5 years later by Iran herself, or even longer......
Maybe Russia will rejoin the plan if Iran-US relation become better in the near future

[AL_Hassan]

Want to add that the project is dropped in favor of developing T-50 wich will be more expensive, but as capable as Raptor:



Right now this T-50 (aka PAK FA) is already being built.
Vityaz and T-50 are of two different design beureas - maybe the Russian goverment has ceded financing the one, and turned to the other (that is developing the PAK FA).
I'm sure that when PAK FA will be in serial production Iran and India will be the first countries to aquire them

[Farid]

Right now this T-50 (aka PAK FA) is already being built.
Vityaz and T-50 are of two different design beureas - maybe the Russian goverment has ceded financing the one, and turned to the other (that is developing the PAK FA).
I'm sure that when PAK FA will be in serial production Iran and India will be the first countries to aquire them

PAK FA? That should be a good fighter. Can't wait for its maiden flight this August! Really want to see what its real look.

[Farid]

Then here is the Army part:


Adjust details about Zulfiqar MBT and adding future series of it:
Actually the Iranian Zulfiqar-1 tank use the latest version of 125mm 2A46 smoothbore gun, which is obviously underrated in game. It should have better attack ability just as T-80 or T-90.
Despite the truth it's using Russian weapon system, its body, shape, and suspension system all developed from M48/M60(or may be partly from British Chieftain tank). As a result, actually the Zulfiquar tank did looks more like a western tank rather any T-series tank(see pictures below), and it shouldn't use the T-80 3D mesh.
Moreover, the sequence product of Zulfiqar-1, the Zulfiqar-3 MBT, did show in Iranian military parade since 2003, with highly expectation from the Iranian army. It features considerable upgrades to the fire control system, chassis, engine and main gun, with a 125mm autoloader. Also, something more interesting is that it really resemble to M1 Abrams in shape(I'm not kidding, see pictures below). So, maybe it could use M1 Abrams 3D mesh rather than the T-80 one. (OK, maybe someone can't stand that Iran and US share the same tank mesh , then we may alot Challenger mesh to Zulfiqar-3, since it didn't looks like a T-80 at all)
Oh! You ask where is the Zulfiqar-2? It's only a experimental design for Zulfiqar-3, so I think it should be neglected in game.
Besides the Zulfiqar-3, I suggest we should add more future Iranian tank design. Since the tank development of Iran just on its way, with many potential wars and plenty of funds investment. It's much possible for Iran to design a new MBT then Israel.(The later now only have to fight with Hezbollah, lack of funds as western economic decline, and already have tanks that are good enough). Can't understand why Israel have future tanks in game while Iran is not.
Zulfiqar-1

Zulfiqar-3

First prototype show in Iran Army Day 2003

Second prototype show in Iran Army Day 2008

The only Zulfiqar-3 photo without the truck. It's just next to Huey.
Reference:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... lfiqar.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfiqar_tank


Adding T-72Z Safir-74 unit design and changing all Iranian reserved T-54 into it:
In order to extend the service life of those old T-54 and Chinese Type-59 tank, the Defense Industries Organization of Iran did made heavy upgrade to it. It uses the Iranian produced derivative of the US 105mm M68 gun, and also have a Slovenian Fontana Electronic Fire Control System (EFCS-3). Using Ukrainian V46-6 engine with 780 h.p and equiping with reactive armors. Despite the truth its still far from any modern MBT, it's far better than the original T-54. We better add this design it game or the paramilitary forces'(which uses those T-72Z) combat capability would be seriously underestimated in game!!!

Picture of T-72Z Safir-74:


..........wrong one, how awkward.......
Here is the real one:


Reference:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... fir-74.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-72Z


Recategorize TOWSAN 90 mm light to recon and adjust it ability similar to Scorpion series.
I don't know why TOWSAN 90 mm is categorize as a tank in default setting, maybe the develop group did think it's something like Chinese type-99 light tank. But, Actually, it just a light armored vehicle base on FV101 Scorpion. So despite the Iranians called it "quick reactive tank", we better to categorize it as a "recon." It just a modernized Scorpion.
By the way, the Iranian TOWSAN can be mounted with two Toophan(Iranian BGM-71 TOW) launcher.(discussed below in Anti-Tank section)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... /tosan.htm


Adding Toophan series anti-tank weapon:
The Toophan missile is an Iranian reverse engineered version of the US BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missile. It was developed by Iranian Aerospace Industries Organization(AIO) around 2000. Its performance is between BGM-71B and BGM-71C in terms of armor penetration. It currently could be mounted on BMP-2, TOWSAN, or AH-1 Cobra.
I suggest the BG group to add "BMP-2 Toophan(-2)" and "TOWSAN Toophan(-2)" as Iranian origin anti-tank unit.
Also, Iran is now known to develop a laser beam-riding version of Toophan with an extended range. Maybe we add Toophan-3 & Toophan-4 in game as well!!!
Iranian TOWSAN with Toophan launcher

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Inf ... -Iran.html


Adding Fajr-3 & Fajr-5 MLRS
Just like Mohajer and Ababil I referred above, The Iranian Fajr-3 & Fajr-5 MLRS is also quite infamous in the west for its usage by the Hezbollah(Or even worse, because these was used against Israeli civilian).
Fajr-3 has the same caliber, range and warhead weight as North Korea 240mm M-1991 MRL system, but it only has 12 tubes mounted on a lighter vehicle, make it effective use in guerrilla warfare like 2006 Lebanon war.
the Fajr-5 333mm MLRS has a platform that is integrated into a complete weapon system rather than an individual launcher. And it's also capable of tracking and engaging naval units according to Iranian Aerospace Industries Organization. It's design may be base on Chinese WS-1 MLRS since it was created no long after Chinese exporting of WS-1 MLRS. It's effective range is as high as 68~75km, making the deepest rocket attack from Hezbollah against Israel in 2006.

Fajr-3


Fajr-5

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5


Iran should own Misagh-2 MANPAD design in the beginning in the game:
the Misagh-2 has been in service in Iranian army since 2005, then why Iran is unable to produce any in 2020 in game? Does it make sense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misagh-2


OK, the army part is finished! Moreover, I'd suggest some fictional future Iranian land unit design could be add to match its large military industry scale. Maybe something like Fajr-6, Raad-5, or even we can call its latest tank(the one with double cannon)Mahdi MBT!!