Belgium/Luxemburg starting techs

[Jan]

here are the actual (2007) tech level of Belgium and Luxembourg kingdoms.

1 - Warfare

261 Real-time Communications
13 V-LAP Artillery
212 Upgrade Infantry Protection
260 Anti Personnel Munitions
142 Laser Guidance Systems
259 Multi Purpose AT Munitions
258 Smart Target Munitions
124 NBC Safety Procedures
195 Improved Fire Control
281 Advanced Mine Clearing
122 NBC Safety Kit II
36 ERFB-BB Ammunition
133 Military Body Armor
21 Simulator Pods
121 NBC Safety Kit
138 Cruise Missile Propulsion
227 Electronic Warfare Basics
5 Reactive Armor
290 Air Defense Sites
26 Basic Missiles
178 Ballistic Missile Technologies
174 Sonar

2 - Transportation

400 Articulated Vehicles
38 Fuel Cells for Vehicles
82 Upgraded Rail System
112 High Speed Rail Infrastructure
113 High Speed Trains
32 Fly-By-Wire Aircraft
145 Launch Physics
173 Ballast Tanks

3 - Science

267 Advanced Superconductors
49 Non-reproductive Cloning
237 Advanced Chemistry
246 Advanced Power Techs
166 Carbon Dioxide Reducers
221 Alternate Power Generation
50 High Bandwidth Infrastructure
46 Stem Cell Research
45 Genetic Code Sequencing
44 Understanding DNA

4 - Technology

80 Artificial Intelligence
296 Multi-Fueled Power Plants
168 Facial Recognition Techs
70 Adaptive Materials
60 Adaptable Computing
61 Advanced Robotics
120 Bi-directional Power Gen
131 VHTR Nuclear Reactors
84 Smart Card Security
29 Digital Signal Broadcasting
150 Fuel Cell Technology
9 Hydroponics Plant
22 Laser Communication
28 Wireless Networks
2 Biomass Incineration
19 Advanced Communications
291 Modern Radars
18 Adv Industrial Development
24 Satellites
144 Multi-Stage Rockets
43 Nuclear Power Plant
42 Nuclear Fission

5 - Medical

90 Automated Nursing Care
92 Artificial Mechanical Organs
56 Rejuvenation Pharmaceuticals
216 NBC Treatments
272 Universal Immunizations
55 Advanced Drug Research
57 Improved Vaccines
54 Disease Causality
89 Robotic Micro Surgery
215 Biological Response Therapy
132 Advanced Diagnostics
91 Minimally Invasive Surgery
53 Modern Pharmaceuticals
52 Medical Vaccines

6 - Society

284 Energy Conservation
276 Advanced Construction
275 Upgraded Manufacturing
232 Advanced Water Processing
277 Manufacturing Improvements
239 Advanced Recycling II
108 Augmented Reality
226 Upgraded Agriculture
278 Consumer Recycling
105 Biologically Based Textiles
249 Urban Renewal
117 Digital Social Services
3 Water Conservation
20 Globalized Education System
16 Waste Management
39 Urban Infrastructure
129 Government Literacy Programs

cheers,

Jan

[Balthagor]

At first glance I already see problems in this list;

V-Lap; only manufactured in IIRC 3 places in the world and BeNeLux is not one of them. The country must produce the ammo, not just use it, to get the tech

ERFB-BB same IIRC

Articulated Vehicles; This is fictional, no one starts with this tech.

Advanced Superconductores; same

Artificial Intelligence; same IIRC

Non-reproductive cloning; No one in the world is doing this on a large enough scale to get the tech.

Rejuvenation Pharmaceuticals ; another fictional

I'll stop there. I appreciate the effort, but we will have to set a standard that decides if a tech is or is not researched and apply that standard equally, we can't do this just one at a time. If there are some of these in particular that you think are vital, indicate the tech and a link to back it up. Then we can consider using that as part of our "who gets it" standards.

[red]

You'd be better off waiting to mention balance issues during the beta, once people can look over things and the devs have something to work from.

[Jan]

ok, i reffered to ingame description to find real life matching and, referring to your post linked below*, i really thought that it was what you needed.

About "fictionnal" techs, you may have a cristal ball on your desk because articulated vehicles, supraconductors and rejuvanation pharmaceutical (ask to any woman) are all existing. I understand that such tiny countries with a so high tech level is suspicious but that's the way it is. Even our own citizens are sometimes themselves surprised.

About VLAP and ERFBBB, the problem is that it's the tech that give the bonus, so to give it to the armies that are using it, they need the tech.

Artificial intelligence is a bit baffling but the description say:

More accurately described as programmed responsiveness, this refers to the type of electronic control that is often taken for granted. From voice recognition to web-crawling search engines, this level of AI is often overlooked by those with a more 'Hollywood' expectation of AI.

for exemple, Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products (LHSP) was a belgian society that was producing voice recognition applications.

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http://www.bgforums.com/forums/viewtopi ... 1230#51230

PS: be sure that i've done my homework and that i've not accorded techs to belgium/luxembourg by a lotery. I planned to post orbats and details about military hardware in service but it doesn't seems to be usefull

cheers,

Jan