"Italians" Region

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"Italians" Region

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I think that "italians" region are not correct

Milan Region: The Name is not correct. That area can be called "Padanian Confederation" or "Cisalpinian Confederation". It includes Sudtirol, that is not Padanian/Cisalpinian, but is Tirol's(in Austria). Valleè Aosteè is not Padanian/Cisalpinian too. Friulian's popolations are ethnical differently from the Padanian/Cisalpinian, they're Balkans.The Emilia and Romagna regions are Padanian/Cisalpinian too, but the Indipendent Spirit is not very strong there.

Rome Region: It includes Tuscany(Firenze is the Capital), that is ethnical different from the others.

Naples Region: It includes Sardinia(Capital, Cagliari), that probably has the most bigger Indipendent Spirit of all the "italian" region. Sicily(Capital , Palermo) too. They must be Indipendent. A name that you can use to identify the Naples region(without Sardinia and Sicily) is Ausonia.

In "italy" there are too much difference, It's very difficult to make a game correct with it :wink:

If can I help with it(storical help, ethnical zone), just call me :wink:
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Work on Supreme Ruler 2010 has ended at this point but since the mapeditor is available for the game, feel free to make these changes yourself. If you would like the Player Variables file for the map, just let me know.

As for the regions in 2020, we will make official announcements later on but we have already split Sicily and Sardinia into a separate region. I will review some of our names based on what you've said here and I will take you up on the offer for help if I can't figure it out from what you provided here. Thanks for the information.
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I will be very pleased to help you. I can take some information from the Indipendentistic Parties from all that regions and bring it to you.

I think that, in the new game, will be a very good think to insert the Indipendent Region's Flag. The one I have in my avatar is one of them. They are not very big, and I think that a admin of a site I know would be very please to help you.

I can tell you the real name of the "italians" cities, in the Region's language. For example: Brescia(owned by Milan region) is the italian name of the city of Brèsa. Venezia is the italian name of the city of Venexia. I think that I can make a list of all the cities that are in the game, with the correct name, of all the italians region.
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We already had some name changes sent to us for that map, but getting all of them would certainly be helpful, but I think we should wait until we know what the regions are and what cities we will be including. This is the type of information we will have sometime in the new year. I'll revive this thread when we get close to that time, but thank you for your offer of help. In the mean time, feel free to join in the other discussions about the game. (Moving this thread into the SR2020 section).
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Post by konan »

:)))))

well i will prefer that names are at least correct as they are "officialy" in ITALIAN but i cant think that we will write them in "dialect" as LOMBARDIA suggest.

this game is used in whole planet ... i hope for BG ... what if everyone ask for dialect name of its city? can't image such a chaos.

LOMBARDIA listen to VENETO suggestion :wink:


instead i will prefer to see EU as it is from january 2007 with 2 new country associated -romania and -bulgaria inside its borders.
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konan wrote:...instead i will prefer to see EU as it is from january 2007 with 2 new country associated -romania and -bulgaria inside its borders.
Romania and Bulgaria are independent regions, we have not determined what treaties will pre-exist between the regions.
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konan wrote::)))))

well i will prefer that names are at least correct as they are "officialy" in ITALIAN but i cant think that we will write them in "dialect" as LOMBARDIA suggest.

LOMBARDIA listen to VENETO suggestion :wink:
They aren't dialect, you should know it. They are recognized language. Lombard Language is recognized and is included in the ISO standard code number ISO 639-1, ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3.
Venetian Language is recognized too, not only from the ISO but from the italian state too. In the Venetian's Region Statute, the second comma says: "L'autogoverno del popolo veneto si attua in forme rispondenti alle caratteristiche e tradizioni della sua storia" in english "The self governement of the Venetian Population is made on his story's tradition and caratteristic".
Venetian has got special alphabetical letters too.
Now are officialy italian, so what? in the game the italian state will disappear, tell me why they we have to continue to call our city in italian. We have our language, we will use it to call OUR cities.
konan wrote: this game is used in whole planet ... i hope for BG ... what if everyone ask for dialect name of its city? can't image such a chaos.
Chaos? Tell me why. Catalàn calls their city in Catalàn, why Lombard and Venetian wouldn't do it.

VENETO, parla £a £engoa Veneta ;)
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Lombardia wrote:...in the game the italian state will disappear, tell me why they we have to continue to call our city in italian. We have our language, we will use it to call OUR cities...
And to anyone who ever said our storyline was "impossible" or "exagerated" I rest my case ;) Even before we break the countries apart we get "internal conflict" :lol:

To Lombardia, we may still use the Italian names just because we don't have the time to find all the dialect specific names for cities of regions in every country and if we're not going to do it for all it's not really worth the time for just a few. Remember that we've still got to devote a lot of time to things other than map creation such as diplomacy and AI (and maybe hierarchy if it doesn't drive us into straight jackets). This is of course something you can change on our own version once you get it, the new design should make changing city names extremely easy.
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Venet People are already Indipendent but a occupied colony.

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Dear,

Venet Nation was illegally occupied in the 1866 .
The venet territory go from Bergamo to Udine and Histrra.

We already start our Government in 1999 look at www.repubblica.org/governo/veneto/

We declared the Socvrain Country (State) in 2006 , look at www.statoveneo.net

We are not Italian, no slaves, nor "Padanic". We havve 3500 years of proved history.

Please, correct Your data.

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Hell mate, The Republic of Texas has been illegally occupied by the Empire of the United States for over 160 years. You don't see me complaining to have them change their maps and such. The truth is, pretty much every town that shows up on a map in this game, at one time or another, was a sovereign nation. If the Goats start changing things around to suit you, they'll spend the next 30 years trying to make every group on Earth happy, and NOT making us a kickbutt game to play.

Be proud of your heritage, I am of mine. This is a wargame, not a historical almanac about ancient peoples and the nations they may or may not have had way back when. Please leave your Ethnic pride at the door when you come in. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm trying to let the Goats get on with making their game.
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Re: Venet People are already Indipendent but a occupied colo

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Venetia wrote:Dear,

Venet Nation was illegally occupied in the 1866 .
The venet territory go from Bergamo to Udine and Histrra.

We already start our Government in 1999 look at www.repubblica.org/governo/veneto/

We declared the Socvrain Country (State) in 2006 , look at www.statoveneo.net

We are not Italian, no slaves, nor "Padanic". We havve 3500 years of proved history.

Please, correct Your data.

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So much for the European Union! I think if the Europeans can pull out a working union with all those different sects they have then everybody else can do it to...

And we all are HUMANS. We all live in the same planet and this is the 21st century... We have already started the exploration of space (I just read we found the entrances to 7 caves in Mars - it is so easy that a martian caveman can do it :D), so we better assume our HUMAN identity before we meet the Vulcans, Klingons and the others...

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Sorry... the forum has been to quite lately...

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I agree with Buzz Ligthyear err, I mean Lightbringer (j/k pal - I've been playing with my 4yo nephew too much lately), the Goat should use their valuable time in bringing us a great game: Regions, cities and town names are irrelevant to the gameplay and they can, probably, be changed via a comunity made patch...
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No imperium

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> And we all are HUMANS. We all live in the same planet and this is the 21st century... We have already started the exploration of space

Ok, let's go all togheter to be governed by CHINESE . OK?

Or do you believe some culture are different ?

Venet is the nation who TEACHED democracy to the world. Do You know US Constitution is STRONGLY inspired from Former Venet Republic one?

Unfortunatly we are governed from a MAFIA parlamente, druged, corrupted Italian Parliament, with false election (see www.italia.8m.com/salva/

We pay 80% of our IPB to italian: this is salvery.

Please, do not leave us slave.

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It looks like the pisans are about to go at it in earnest! :lol:

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Re: No imperium

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Venetia wrote:> And we all are HUMANS. We all live in the same planet and this is the 21st century... We have already started the exploration of space

Ok, let's go all togheter to be governed by CHINESE . OK?

Or do you believe some culture are different ?

Venet is the nation who TEACHED democracy to the world. Do You know US Constitution is STRONGLY inspired from Former Venet Republic one?

Unfortunatly we are governed from a MAFIA parlamente, druged, corrupted Italian Parliament, with false election (see www.italia.8m.com/salva/

We pay 80% of our IPB to italian: this is salvery.

Please, do not leave us slave.

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OOHHHH!!! Dude chlid out!
First, SR2010 & SR2020 are only GAMES, no more no less... They will do nothing for or against your cause (whatever it is).

Second, the chinese are also humans!!!

Seriously, if you look at human history, our tendency is to get integrated into bigger societies... trubes -> towns -> Cities-States -> Nations -> iContinental units (like the EU) ? -> Finally Earth!

Of course, there are separatist here and there, but because our own human nature they are destined to fail... And that does means that you should lose you cultural roots .. By NO means! Yoy have the right to keep it!!! Everyone has it! Every single culture on Earth has to be preserve, that our hereditage!

" Resistance is futile! Prepare to be asimilated" - Any Borg.

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Post by Lightbringer »

Maybe you can play the Italy scenario as Venice and kick the corrupt Mafioso's arses? When you win, you can make them pay 80% taxes.

Speaking of corrupt, maybe I'll start setting up a Red State/ Blue State scenario in the U.S. .... :P
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