And just in case nobody wanted to look it up, here are a few tidbits.
Do you know of the actions President Roosevelt took in direct contravention of the rules of neutrality during the war? By giving the Allies credit he was throwing out neutral status. The destroyer deal with the British is also a violation of the neutrality act. Then when the US began to ESCORT British convoys, that was all but a declaration of war on Germany. On 31 October 1941, while escorting the convoy HX-156 the US DD-245, USS Reuben James, was sunk with 115 out of 160 hands going down with the ship. The Reuben James was the FIRST American ship lost in WW2, lost before an official declaration of war. In truth President Roosevelt tried everything short of booting out the Senate to get the US into the war.
The US considered the Navy THE first line of defense. So 2 things would have to happen for ANY nation to invade this continent.
1. Defeat the US navy, without nukes, it isn't happening.
2. create and maintain a merchant marine capable of transferring and maintaining sufficient force to complete the conquest. Again without nukes it isn't happening.
And both of these conditions were beyond the capabilities of the Germans or anybody else in WW2. In 1944 the US began to cut back war production as we were producing too much! Even with our allies using American supplies.
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Haenkie, most people refuse to belive fact when it contradicts their beliefs.
Now lets look at the tech of the supposed tech superior Germans
Jet Development. Germany had the initial breakthrough.
7 January 1943--Development of the first naval aircraft to be equipped with a turbojet engine was initiated with the issuance of a Letter of Intent to McDonnell Aircraft Corporation for engineering, development, and tooling for two VF airplanes. Two Westinghouse 19-B turbojet engines were later specified and the aircraft was designated XFD-1.
21 January 1943--Captain Frederick M. Trapnell made a flight in the Bell XP-59A jet Airacomet at Muroc, Calif., the first jet flight by a U.S. Naval Aviator.
5 July 1943--The first turbojet engine developed for the Navy, the Westinghouse l9A, completed its 100-hour endurance test.
19 July 1943--The Naval Aircraft Factory was authorized to develop the Gorgon, an aerial ram or air-to-air missile powered by a turbojet engine and equipped with radio controls and a homing device. The Gorgon was later expanded into a broad program embracing turbojet, ramjet, pulsejet, and rocket power; straight wing, swept wing, and canard (tail first) air frames; and visual, television, heat-homing, and three types of radar guidance for use as air-to-air, air-to-surface and surface-to-surface guided missiles and as target drones.
Rocket Development. Germany had some breakthroughs, but remember Dr Robert Goddard IS the father of rocketry.
22 March 1940--Development of guided missiles was initiated at the Naval Aircraft Factory with the establishment of a project for adapting radio controls to a torpedo-carrying TG-2 airplane.
12 October 1943--The Bureau of Ordnance established a production program for 3,000 Pelican guided missiles at a delivery rate of 300 a month.
Computer Designs.
Konrad Zuse, a German engineer, completes the first general purpose progammable calculator in 1941. He pioneers the use of binary math and boolean logic in electronic calculation.
Colossus, a British computer used for code-breaking, is operational by December of 1943.
ENIAC, or Electronic Numerical Integrator Analyzor and Computer, is developed by the Ballistics Research Laboratory in Maryland to assist in the preparation of firing tables for artillery. It is built at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering and completed in November 1945.
The ***** made the first developement, but by the end of the war they were so far behind as to be non competitive.
Radar Development. 28 March 1941--The Commanding Officer of Yorktown after five months operational experience with the CXAM radar, reported that aircraft had been tracked at a distance of 100 miles and recommended that friendly aircraft be equipped with electronic identification devices and carriers be equipped with separate and complete facilities for tracking and plotting all radar targets.
3 April 1941--Project Roger was established at the Naval Aircraft Factory to install and test airborne radar equipment. Its principal assignment involved support of the Radiation Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Naval Research Laboratory in various radar applications including search and blind bombing and in radio control of aircraft.
18 July 1941--Commander J. V. Carney, Senior Support Force Staff Officer, reported that ASV radar has been installed in one PBY-5 each of VP-71, VP-72, and VP-73 and two PBM-1's of VP-74. Initial installation of identification equipment (IFF) was made about the same time. In mid-September radar was issued for five additional PBM-1's of VP-74 and one PBY-5 of VP-71, and shortly thereafter for other aircraft in Patrol Wing 7 squadrons. Thereby the Wing became the first operational unit of the U.S. Navy to be supplied with radar-equipped aircraft. Its squadrons operated from Norfolk, Quonset Point and advanced bases on Greenland, Newfoundland and Iceland during the last months of the neutrality patrol.
1 August 1941--A Microwave (AI-10) radar developed by the Radiation Laboratory and featuring a Plan Position Indicator (or PPI) was given its initial airborne test in the XJO-3 at Boston Airport. During the test flights, which continued through 16 October, Radiation Laboratory scientists operated the radar and devised modifications while naval personnel from Project Roger (usually Chief Aviation Pilot C. L. Kullberg) piloted the aircraft. During the tests, surface vessels were detected at ranges up to 40 miles; radar-guided approaches against simulated enemy aircraft were achieved at ranges up to 3.5 miles. Operational radars which were developed from this equipment were capable of searching a circular area and included the ASG for K-type airships and the AN/APS-2 for patrol planes.
18 November 1941--Doctor L. A. DuBridge of the Radiation Laboratory reported that the initial design of a 3-cm aircraft intercept radar was completed.
9December 1941--The Secretary of the Navy authorized the Bureau of Ships to contract with the RCA Manufacturing Company for a service test quantity of 25 sets of ASB airborne search radar. This radar had been developed by the Naval Research Laboratory (under the designation XAT) for installation in dive bombers and torpedo planes.
17 December 1941--The Naval Research Laboratory reported that flight tests in a PBY of radar utilizing a duplexing antenna switch had been conducted with satisfactory results. The duplexing switch made it possible to use a single antenna for both transmission of the radar pulse and reception of its echo; thereby, the necessity for cumbersome "yagi" antenna no longer existed, a factor which contributed substantially to the reliability, and hence the effectiveness, of American World War II airborne radar.
25 June 1942--Preliminary investigation of early warning radar had proceeded to the point that the Coordinator for Research and Development requested development be initiated of airborne early warning radar including automatic airborne relay and associated shipboard processing and display equipment. Interest in early warning radar had arisen when Admiral King remarked to Dr. Vannevar Bush, head of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, that Navy ships need to see over the hill-i.e. beyond the line of sight.
Helicopter Development.
29 June 1942--Following an inspection of Igor I. Sikorsky's VS-300 helicopter on 26 June, Lieutenant Commander F. A. Erickson, USCG, recommended that helicopters be obtained for antisubmarine convoy duty and life-saving.
15 January 1943--The Commander in Chief U.S. Fleet assigned responsibility for sea-going development of helicopters and their operation in convoys to the Coast Guard and directed that tests be carried out to determine if helicopters operating from merchant ships would be of value in combating submarines.
7 May 1943--Navy representatives witnessed landing trials of the XR-4 helicopter aboard the merchant tanker Bunker Hill in a demonstration sponsored by the Maritime Commission and conducted in Long Island Sound. The pilot, Colonel R. F. Gregory, AAF, made about 15 flights, and in some of these flights he landed on the water before returning to the platform on the deck of the ship.
16 October 1943--The Navy accepted its first helicopter, a Sikorsky YR-4B (HNS-1), at Bridgeport, Connecticut, following a 60 minute acceptance test flight by Lieutenant Commander F. A. Erickson, USCG.
20 December 1943--Commander Frank A. Erickson, USCG, reported that Coast Guard Air Station, Floyd Bennett Field had experimented with a helicopter used as an airborne ambulance. An HNS-1 helicopter made flights carrying, in addition to its normal crew of a pilot and a mechanic, a weight of 200 pounds in a stretcher suspended approximately 4 feet beneath the float landing gear. In further demonstrations early the following year, the stretcher was attached to the side of the fuselage and landings were made at the steps of the dispensary.
3 January 1944--Helicopter Mercy Mission--Commander Frank A. Erickson, USCG, flying an HNS-1 helicopter, made an emergency delivery of 40 units of blood plasma from lower Manhattan Island to Sandy Hook where the plasma was administered to survivors of an explosion on the destroyer Turner (DD 648). In this, the first helicopter lifesaving operation, Commander Erickson took off from Floyd Bennett Field, flew to Battery Park on Manhattan Island to pick up the plasma and then to Sandy Hook. The flight was made through snow squalls and sleet which grounded all other types of aircraft.
16 January 1944--Lieutenant (jg) S. R. Graham, USCG, while en route from New York to Liverpool in the British freighter Daghestan made a 30 minute flight in an HNS-1 from the ship's 60 by 80 foot flight deck. Weather during the mid-winter crossing of the North Atlantic permitted only two additional flights.
13 May 1944--To distinguish between fixed and rotary wing heavier-than-aircraft, the helicopter class designation VH plus a mission letter (i.e. VHO for observation and VHN for training) was abolished and helicopters were established as a separate type designated H. The previous mission letters thus became classes designated O, N, and R for observation, training and transport respectively. This shows that Choppere were already being integrated into the naval service. While the ***** were just playing games with theirs.
17 May 1944--The Bureau of Aeronautics authorized CGAS Floyd Bennett Field to collaborate with the Sperry Gyroscope Company in making an automatic pilot installation in a HNS-1 helicopter.
11 August 1944--An electric powered rescue hoist was installed on an HNS-1 helicopter at CGAS Floyd Bennett Field. During the ensuing 4 day test period, in which flights were conducted over Jamaica Bay, the feasibility of rescuing personnel from the water and of transferring personnel and equipment to and from underway boats was demonstrated. Six weeks later, a hydraulic hoist, which overcame basic disadvantages of the electric hoist, was installed and successfully tested, leading to its adoption for service use.
11 August 1944--Dr. M. F. Bates of the Sperry Gyroscope Company submitted a brief report of the trial installation and flight test of a helicopter automatic pilot (cyclic pitch control) in an HNS-1 at CGAS Floyd Bennett Field.
7 March 1945--The Commanding Officer, CGAS Floyd Bennett Field reported that a dunking sonar suspended from an XHOS-1 helicopter had been tested successfully.
7 March 1945--The tandem rotor XHRP-X transport helicopter, built under Navy contract by P-V Engineering Forum made its first flight at the contractor's plant at Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania with Frank N. Piasecki as pilot and George N. Towson as copilot.
2 May 1945--First Helicopter Rescue--Lieutenant August Kleisch, USCG, flying a HNS-1 helicopter rescued 11 Canadian airmen that were marooned in northern Labrador about 125 miles from Goose Bay.
Physics. 20 April 1941--The first successful test of electronic components of a radio-proximity fuze was made at a farm in Vienna, Va., as a radio oscillator, or sonde, which had been fired from a 37-mm pack howitzer, made radio transmissions during its flight. The demonstration, that radio tubes and batteries could be constructed sufficiently rugged to withstand firing from a gun, led Section T of the National Defense Research Committee to concentrate upon the radio-proximity fuze for anti-aircraft guns.
21 October 1941--In tests with MAD gear (Magnetic Airborne Detector), a PBY from NAS Quonset Point, located the submarine S-48. The tests were carried out in cooperation with the National Defense Research Committee.
29 December 1941--Five-inch projectiles containing radio-proximity fuzes were test fired at the Naval Proving Ground, Dahlgren, and 52 percent of the fuzes functioned satisfactorily by proximity to water at the end of a 5-mile trajectory. This performance, obtained with samples selected to simulate a production lot, confirmed that the radioproximity fuze would greatly increase the effectiveness of anti-aircraft batteries and led to immediate production of the fuze.
13 June 1942--Loran, long range navigation equipment, was given its first airborne test. The receiver was mounted in the K-2 airship and, in a flight from NAS Lakehurst, accurately determined position when the airship was over various identifiable objects. The test culminated with the first Loran homing from a distance 50 to 75 miles offshore during which the Loran operator, Dr. J. A. Pierce, gave instructions to the airship's commanding officer which brought them over the shoreline near Lakehurst on a course that caused the commanding officer to remark, "We weren't [just] headed for the hangar." We were headed for the middle of the hangar." The success of these tests led to immediate action to obtain operational Loran equipment.
19 October 1942--The initial installation and deployment of the ASB-3 airborne search radar was reported. This radar, developed by the Naval Research Laboratory for carrier based aircraft, had been installed in five TBF-1's by NAS New York and five SBD-3's by NAS San Pedro. One aircraft of each type was assigned to Air Group Eleven (Saratoga) and the others shipped to Pearl Harbor.
1 January 1943--Ground Controlled Approach equipment (GCA) was called into emergency use for the first time when a snowstorm closed down the field at NAS Quonset Point a half hour before a flight of PBYs was due to arrive. The GCA crew located the incoming aircraft on their search radar, and using the control tower as a relay station, "talked" one of them into position for a contact landing. This recovery was made only 9 days after the first successful experimental demonstration of GCA.
13 June 1945--A ramjet engine produced power in supersonic flight in a test conducted by the Applied Physics Laboratory at Island Beach, N.J. The ramjet unit was launched by a booster of four 5-inch high velocity aircraft rockets and achieved a range of 11,000 yards, nearly double that of similarly launched, cold units.
20 July 1945--Little Joe, a rocket-propelled surface-to-air missile, made two successful flights at Applied Physics Laboratory (Johns Hopkins University) test station at Island Beach, N.J.
Aircraft. 27 March 1940--Development of the "Flying Flapjack", a fighter aircraft with an almost circular wing, was initiated with notice of a contract award to Vought-Sikorsky Aircraft for the design of the V-173--a full-scale flying model (as distinguished from a military prototype). This design, based upon the research of a former NACA engineer, Charles H. Zimmerman, was attractive because it promised to combine a high speed of near 500 m.p.h. with a very low takeoff speed.
26 April 1940--The Naval Aircraft Factory project officer reported that an unmanned O3U-6 airplane under radio control had been successfully flight-tested beyond the safe bounds of piloted flight and that the information thus obtained had been of great value in overcoming flutter encountered at various speeds and accelerations.
4 June 1940--The Naval Aircraft Factory reported that development of airborne television had progressed to the point that signals transmitted by this means could be used to alter the course of the transmitting plane.
19April 1942--Tests of the feasibility of utilizing drone aircraft as guided missiles were conducted in Chesapeake Bay. The test was conducted by Project Fox from CAA intermediate field, Lively, Va., using a BG-2 drone equipped with a television camera to provide a view of the target. Flying in a control plane 11 miles distant, Lieutenant M. B. Taylor directed the drone's crash-dive into a raft being towed at a speed of 8 knots.
17 June 1942--The development of Pelican, an antisubmarine guided missile, was undertaken by the National Defense Research Committee with Bureau of Ordnance sponsorship. This device consisted of a glide bomb which could automatically home on a radar beam reflected from the target.
23 November 1942--The V-173, a full-scale model of a fighter aircraft with an almost circular wing, made its first flight at the Vought-Sikorsky plant, Stratford, Conn. A military version of this aircraft, the XF5U-1, was constructed later.
17 January 1943--Following tests conducted at NAS San Diego by six experienced pilots flying F4U-1s, the Commanding Officer of VF-12, Commander J. C. Clifton, reported that anti-blackout suits raised their tolerance to accelerations encountered in gunnery run and other maneuvers by three to four Gs. Also known as G-Suits.
30 November 1943--On her first operational assignment, the Martin Mars, in the hands of Lieutenant Commander W. E. Coney and crew of 16, took off from Patuxent River carrying 13,000 pounds of cargo that was delivered at Natal, Brazil, in a nonstop flight of 4,375 miles and of 28 hours 25 minutes duration.
18 January 1944--Catalinas of VP-63, based at Port Lyautey, began barrier patrols of the Strait of Gibraltar and its approaches with Magnetic Airborne Detection (MAD) gear and effectively closed the Strait to enemy U-boats during daylight hours until the end of the war.
24 February 1944--The first detection of a submerged enemy submarine by the use of MAD gear was made by Catalinas of VP-63, on a MAD barrier patrol of the approaches to the Strait of Gibraltar. They attacked the U-761 with retrorockets, and with the assistance of two ships and aircraft from two other squadrons, sank it.
6 January 1945--The Chief of Naval Operations directed that, following a period of training at NAS Kaneohe Bay, VPB Squadrons 109, 123, and 124 of Fleet Air Wing 2 be equipped to employ the SWOD Mark 9, Bat, glide bomb in combat.
Submarines. 9 September 1940--The Secretary approved a recommendation by the General Board, that 24 of the authorized submarines be equipped to carry aviation gasoline for delivery to seaplanes on the water. This was in addition to Nautilus (SS 168) which had demonstrated her ability to refuel patrol planes and had conducted a successful test dive to 300 feet with aviation gasoline aboard; and to Narwhal (SC 1) and Argonaut (SF 7) which were being altered to carry 19,000 gallons of aviation gasoline each.
Once the Bug for the Torpedoes were eliminated, the Gato class sub was just as good as it's German counterpart.
Rocket Usage. 3 July 1942--In the first successful firing of an American rocket from a plane in flight, Lieutenant Commander J. H. Hean, Gunnery Officer of Transition Training Squadron, Pacific Fleet, fired a retro-rocket from a PBY-5A in flight at Goldstone Lake, Calif. The rocket, designed to be fired aft with a velocity equal to the forward velocity of the airplane, and thus to fall vertically, was designed at the California Institute of Technology. Following successful tests, the retro-rocket became a weapon complementary to the magnetic airborne detector with Patrol Squadron 63 receiving the first service installation in February 1943.
29 January 1943--Tests of forward firing rockets projectiles from naval aircraft were completed at the Naval Proving Ground, Dahlgren, using an SB2A-4 aircraft.
7 June 1943--The Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet established a project for airborne test, by Commander Fleet Air, West Coast, of high velocity, "forward shooting" rockets. These rockets, which had nearly double the velocity of those tested earlier at Dahlgren, had been developed by a rocket section, led by Dr. C. C. Lauritsen, at the California Institute of Technology under National Defense Research Committee auspices and with Navy support. This test project, which was established in part on the basis of reports of effectiveness in service of a similar British rocket, completed its first airborne firing from a TBF of a British rocket on 14 July and of the CalTech round on 20 August. The results of these tests were so favorable that operational squadrons in both the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets were equipped with forward firing rockets before the end of the year.
11 January 1944--The first U.S. attack with forward-firing rockets was made against a German U-boat by two TBF-1C's of Composite Squadron 58 from the escort carrier Block Island.
8 March 1945--A rocket powered Gorgon air-to-air missile was launched from a PBY-5A and achieved an estimated speed of 550 m.p.h. in its first powered test flight, conducted off Cape May, N.J. under the direction of Lieutenant Commander M. B. Taylor.
21 March 1945--The development of a rocket-powered surface-to-air guided missile, was initiated as the Bureau of Aeronautics awarded a contract for 100 Larks to the Ranger Engine Division of Fairchild.
23 March 1945--PB4Y's of Patrol Bombing Squadron 109 launched two Bat glide bombs against the enemy shipping in Balikpapan Harbor, Borneo, IN THE FIRST COMBAT EMPLOYMENT OF THE ONLY AUTOMATIC HOMING BOMB TO BE USE IN WORLD WAR II.
10 May 1945--In a crash program to counter the Japanese Baka (suicide) bomb, the Naval Aircraft Modification Unit was authorized to develop Little Joe, a ship-to-air guided missile powered with a standard JATO unit.
Warships. The Fletcher class DD is superior to any type of German DD.
Where is the European equilivelent to the Essex or Midway classes of carrier?
12 July 1942--Cleveland (CL 55), operating in the Chesapeake Bay, demonstrated effectiveness of the radio-proximity fuze against aircraft by destroying three radio-controlled drones with four proximity bursts fired from her 5-inch guns. This successful demonstration led to mass production of the fuze.
5 January 1943--The first combat use of a proximity fuzed projectile occurred when Helena (CL 50) off the south coast of Guadalcanal, destroyed an attacking Japanese dive bomber with the second salvo from her 5-inch guns.
16 February-16 March--Capture of Iwo Jima. New air defense elements in the U.S. fleet were functional and noteworthy; they included the altitude-determining radar on LSTs and a Night Fighter Director on the Air Support Commander's organization.
US tech levels. 19 April 1941--Development of a Glomb (Glider Bomb) of a guided missile was initiated at the Naval Aircraft Factory. The Glomb was a glider designed to be towed long distances by a powered aircraft, released in the vicinity of the target, and guided by radio control in its attack. It was equipped with a television camera to transmit a view of the target to the control plane.
17 August 1940--Section T (so called for its Chairman, Dr. Merle A. Tuve) of Division A, National Defense Research Committee, was established to examine the feasibility of various approaches to developing a proximity fuze. Eight days later, a contract was issued to the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, Carnegie Institution of Washington, for the research that culminated in the radio VT fuze for anti-aircraft guns and both radio and photoelectric VT fuzes for bombs and rockets.
7March 1942--The practicability of using a radio sonobuoy in aerial anti-submarine warfare was demonstrated in an exercise conducted off New London by the K-5 blimp and the S-20 submarine. The buoy could detect the sound of the submerged submarine's propellers at distances up to three miles, and radio reception aboard the blimp was satisfactory up to five miles.
9 April 1942--A radio controlled TG-2 drone, directed by control pilot Lieutenant M. B. Taylor of Project Fox, made a torpedo attack on the destroyer Aaron Ward steaming at 15 knots in Narragansett Bay. Taylor utilized a view of the target obtained by a television camera mounted in the drone, and directed the attack so that the torpedo was released about 300 feet directly astern of the target and passed under it.
28 October 1942--Procurement of the expendable radio sonobuoy for use in antisubmarine warfare was initiated as the Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet directed the Bureau of Ships to procure 1,000 sonobuoy's and 100 associated receivers.
12 June 1944--In the first deployment of a guided missile unit into a combat theater, elements of Special Task Air Group 1 arrived in the Russell Islands in the South Pacific.
6 July 1944--A special Air Unit was formed under ComAirLant, with Commander James A. Smith, Officer in Charge, for transfer without delay to Commander Fleet Air Wing 7 in Europe. This unit was to attack German V-1 and V-2 launching sites with PB4Y-1's converted to assault drones.
6 September 1944--A contract was awarded to McDonnell Aircraft Corporation for construction of the Gargoyle or LBD-1, a radio controlled low-wing gliding bomb fitted with a rocket booster and designed for launching from carrier-based dive-bombers and torpedo planes against enemy ships.
27 September 1944--Guided Missiles were used in the Pacific as Special Task Air Group 1, from its base on Stirling in the Treasury Islands, began a combat demonstration of the TDR assault drone. The drones had been delivered to the Russell Islands by surface shipping and flown 45 miles to bases in the Northern Solomons where they were stripped for pilotless flight and armed with bombs of up to 2,000 pounds. For combat against heavily defended targets, a control operator in an accompanying TBM guided the drone by radio and directed the final assault by means of a picture received from a television camera mounted in the drone. In the initial attack, against antiaircraft emplacements in a beached merchant ship defending Kahili airstrip on South Bougainville, two out of four TDR's struck the target ship.
26 October 1944--The last attack in a month long demonstration of the TDR assault drone was made by Special Task Air Group, thereby concluding the first use of the guided missile in the Pacific. During the demonstration a total of 46 drones were expended of which 29 reached the target areas: two attacked a lighthouse on Cape St. George, New Ireland, making one hit which demolished the structure; nine attacked anti-aircraft emplacements on beached ships achieving six direct hits and two near misses; and 18 attacked other targets in the Shortlands and Rabaul areas making 11 hits.
20 July 1945--Fleet Airborne Electronics Training Units (FAETU) were established in the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets to train airborne early warning crews in the theory, operation and maintenance of their equipment.
How you can claim the American technological levels were far in the arrears of the ***** shows an exterme bias on some folks part, along with a lack of proper research and contempt for the truth.
I will tell you one thing, when folks make such insulting personal comments against the US like some have you had better have the fact to back it up, or they will look like a fool again.
I really do not expect the Yank haters to read all my FACTS, but I dare them to disprove them. As they can't, because my statements are fact and not opinion and biased based inneundo.
Thorgrimm
Now lets look at the tech of the supposed tech superior Germans
Jet Development. Germany had the initial breakthrough.
7 January 1943--Development of the first naval aircraft to be equipped with a turbojet engine was initiated with the issuance of a Letter of Intent to McDonnell Aircraft Corporation for engineering, development, and tooling for two VF airplanes. Two Westinghouse 19-B turbojet engines were later specified and the aircraft was designated XFD-1.
21 January 1943--Captain Frederick M. Trapnell made a flight in the Bell XP-59A jet Airacomet at Muroc, Calif., the first jet flight by a U.S. Naval Aviator.
5 July 1943--The first turbojet engine developed for the Navy, the Westinghouse l9A, completed its 100-hour endurance test.
19 July 1943--The Naval Aircraft Factory was authorized to develop the Gorgon, an aerial ram or air-to-air missile powered by a turbojet engine and equipped with radio controls and a homing device. The Gorgon was later expanded into a broad program embracing turbojet, ramjet, pulsejet, and rocket power; straight wing, swept wing, and canard (tail first) air frames; and visual, television, heat-homing, and three types of radar guidance for use as air-to-air, air-to-surface and surface-to-surface guided missiles and as target drones.
Rocket Development. Germany had some breakthroughs, but remember Dr Robert Goddard IS the father of rocketry.
22 March 1940--Development of guided missiles was initiated at the Naval Aircraft Factory with the establishment of a project for adapting radio controls to a torpedo-carrying TG-2 airplane.
12 October 1943--The Bureau of Ordnance established a production program for 3,000 Pelican guided missiles at a delivery rate of 300 a month.
Computer Designs.
Konrad Zuse, a German engineer, completes the first general purpose progammable calculator in 1941. He pioneers the use of binary math and boolean logic in electronic calculation.
Colossus, a British computer used for code-breaking, is operational by December of 1943.
ENIAC, or Electronic Numerical Integrator Analyzor and Computer, is developed by the Ballistics Research Laboratory in Maryland to assist in the preparation of firing tables for artillery. It is built at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering and completed in November 1945.
The ***** made the first developement, but by the end of the war they were so far behind as to be non competitive.
Radar Development. 28 March 1941--The Commanding Officer of Yorktown after five months operational experience with the CXAM radar, reported that aircraft had been tracked at a distance of 100 miles and recommended that friendly aircraft be equipped with electronic identification devices and carriers be equipped with separate and complete facilities for tracking and plotting all radar targets.
3 April 1941--Project Roger was established at the Naval Aircraft Factory to install and test airborne radar equipment. Its principal assignment involved support of the Radiation Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Naval Research Laboratory in various radar applications including search and blind bombing and in radio control of aircraft.
18 July 1941--Commander J. V. Carney, Senior Support Force Staff Officer, reported that ASV radar has been installed in one PBY-5 each of VP-71, VP-72, and VP-73 and two PBM-1's of VP-74. Initial installation of identification equipment (IFF) was made about the same time. In mid-September radar was issued for five additional PBM-1's of VP-74 and one PBY-5 of VP-71, and shortly thereafter for other aircraft in Patrol Wing 7 squadrons. Thereby the Wing became the first operational unit of the U.S. Navy to be supplied with radar-equipped aircraft. Its squadrons operated from Norfolk, Quonset Point and advanced bases on Greenland, Newfoundland and Iceland during the last months of the neutrality patrol.
1 August 1941--A Microwave (AI-10) radar developed by the Radiation Laboratory and featuring a Plan Position Indicator (or PPI) was given its initial airborne test in the XJO-3 at Boston Airport. During the test flights, which continued through 16 October, Radiation Laboratory scientists operated the radar and devised modifications while naval personnel from Project Roger (usually Chief Aviation Pilot C. L. Kullberg) piloted the aircraft. During the tests, surface vessels were detected at ranges up to 40 miles; radar-guided approaches against simulated enemy aircraft were achieved at ranges up to 3.5 miles. Operational radars which were developed from this equipment were capable of searching a circular area and included the ASG for K-type airships and the AN/APS-2 for patrol planes.
18 November 1941--Doctor L. A. DuBridge of the Radiation Laboratory reported that the initial design of a 3-cm aircraft intercept radar was completed.
9December 1941--The Secretary of the Navy authorized the Bureau of Ships to contract with the RCA Manufacturing Company for a service test quantity of 25 sets of ASB airborne search radar. This radar had been developed by the Naval Research Laboratory (under the designation XAT) for installation in dive bombers and torpedo planes.
17 December 1941--The Naval Research Laboratory reported that flight tests in a PBY of radar utilizing a duplexing antenna switch had been conducted with satisfactory results. The duplexing switch made it possible to use a single antenna for both transmission of the radar pulse and reception of its echo; thereby, the necessity for cumbersome "yagi" antenna no longer existed, a factor which contributed substantially to the reliability, and hence the effectiveness, of American World War II airborne radar.
25 June 1942--Preliminary investigation of early warning radar had proceeded to the point that the Coordinator for Research and Development requested development be initiated of airborne early warning radar including automatic airborne relay and associated shipboard processing and display equipment. Interest in early warning radar had arisen when Admiral King remarked to Dr. Vannevar Bush, head of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, that Navy ships need to see over the hill-i.e. beyond the line of sight.
Helicopter Development.
29 June 1942--Following an inspection of Igor I. Sikorsky's VS-300 helicopter on 26 June, Lieutenant Commander F. A. Erickson, USCG, recommended that helicopters be obtained for antisubmarine convoy duty and life-saving.
15 January 1943--The Commander in Chief U.S. Fleet assigned responsibility for sea-going development of helicopters and their operation in convoys to the Coast Guard and directed that tests be carried out to determine if helicopters operating from merchant ships would be of value in combating submarines.
7 May 1943--Navy representatives witnessed landing trials of the XR-4 helicopter aboard the merchant tanker Bunker Hill in a demonstration sponsored by the Maritime Commission and conducted in Long Island Sound. The pilot, Colonel R. F. Gregory, AAF, made about 15 flights, and in some of these flights he landed on the water before returning to the platform on the deck of the ship.
16 October 1943--The Navy accepted its first helicopter, a Sikorsky YR-4B (HNS-1), at Bridgeport, Connecticut, following a 60 minute acceptance test flight by Lieutenant Commander F. A. Erickson, USCG.
20 December 1943--Commander Frank A. Erickson, USCG, reported that Coast Guard Air Station, Floyd Bennett Field had experimented with a helicopter used as an airborne ambulance. An HNS-1 helicopter made flights carrying, in addition to its normal crew of a pilot and a mechanic, a weight of 200 pounds in a stretcher suspended approximately 4 feet beneath the float landing gear. In further demonstrations early the following year, the stretcher was attached to the side of the fuselage and landings were made at the steps of the dispensary.
3 January 1944--Helicopter Mercy Mission--Commander Frank A. Erickson, USCG, flying an HNS-1 helicopter, made an emergency delivery of 40 units of blood plasma from lower Manhattan Island to Sandy Hook where the plasma was administered to survivors of an explosion on the destroyer Turner (DD 648). In this, the first helicopter lifesaving operation, Commander Erickson took off from Floyd Bennett Field, flew to Battery Park on Manhattan Island to pick up the plasma and then to Sandy Hook. The flight was made through snow squalls and sleet which grounded all other types of aircraft.
16 January 1944--Lieutenant (jg) S. R. Graham, USCG, while en route from New York to Liverpool in the British freighter Daghestan made a 30 minute flight in an HNS-1 from the ship's 60 by 80 foot flight deck. Weather during the mid-winter crossing of the North Atlantic permitted only two additional flights.
13 May 1944--To distinguish between fixed and rotary wing heavier-than-aircraft, the helicopter class designation VH plus a mission letter (i.e. VHO for observation and VHN for training) was abolished and helicopters were established as a separate type designated H. The previous mission letters thus became classes designated O, N, and R for observation, training and transport respectively. This shows that Choppere were already being integrated into the naval service. While the ***** were just playing games with theirs.
17 May 1944--The Bureau of Aeronautics authorized CGAS Floyd Bennett Field to collaborate with the Sperry Gyroscope Company in making an automatic pilot installation in a HNS-1 helicopter.
11 August 1944--An electric powered rescue hoist was installed on an HNS-1 helicopter at CGAS Floyd Bennett Field. During the ensuing 4 day test period, in which flights were conducted over Jamaica Bay, the feasibility of rescuing personnel from the water and of transferring personnel and equipment to and from underway boats was demonstrated. Six weeks later, a hydraulic hoist, which overcame basic disadvantages of the electric hoist, was installed and successfully tested, leading to its adoption for service use.
11 August 1944--Dr. M. F. Bates of the Sperry Gyroscope Company submitted a brief report of the trial installation and flight test of a helicopter automatic pilot (cyclic pitch control) in an HNS-1 at CGAS Floyd Bennett Field.
7 March 1945--The Commanding Officer, CGAS Floyd Bennett Field reported that a dunking sonar suspended from an XHOS-1 helicopter had been tested successfully.
7 March 1945--The tandem rotor XHRP-X transport helicopter, built under Navy contract by P-V Engineering Forum made its first flight at the contractor's plant at Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania with Frank N. Piasecki as pilot and George N. Towson as copilot.
2 May 1945--First Helicopter Rescue--Lieutenant August Kleisch, USCG, flying a HNS-1 helicopter rescued 11 Canadian airmen that were marooned in northern Labrador about 125 miles from Goose Bay.
Physics. 20 April 1941--The first successful test of electronic components of a radio-proximity fuze was made at a farm in Vienna, Va., as a radio oscillator, or sonde, which had been fired from a 37-mm pack howitzer, made radio transmissions during its flight. The demonstration, that radio tubes and batteries could be constructed sufficiently rugged to withstand firing from a gun, led Section T of the National Defense Research Committee to concentrate upon the radio-proximity fuze for anti-aircraft guns.
21 October 1941--In tests with MAD gear (Magnetic Airborne Detector), a PBY from NAS Quonset Point, located the submarine S-48. The tests were carried out in cooperation with the National Defense Research Committee.
29 December 1941--Five-inch projectiles containing radio-proximity fuzes were test fired at the Naval Proving Ground, Dahlgren, and 52 percent of the fuzes functioned satisfactorily by proximity to water at the end of a 5-mile trajectory. This performance, obtained with samples selected to simulate a production lot, confirmed that the radioproximity fuze would greatly increase the effectiveness of anti-aircraft batteries and led to immediate production of the fuze.
13 June 1942--Loran, long range navigation equipment, was given its first airborne test. The receiver was mounted in the K-2 airship and, in a flight from NAS Lakehurst, accurately determined position when the airship was over various identifiable objects. The test culminated with the first Loran homing from a distance 50 to 75 miles offshore during which the Loran operator, Dr. J. A. Pierce, gave instructions to the airship's commanding officer which brought them over the shoreline near Lakehurst on a course that caused the commanding officer to remark, "We weren't [just] headed for the hangar." We were headed for the middle of the hangar." The success of these tests led to immediate action to obtain operational Loran equipment.
19 October 1942--The initial installation and deployment of the ASB-3 airborne search radar was reported. This radar, developed by the Naval Research Laboratory for carrier based aircraft, had been installed in five TBF-1's by NAS New York and five SBD-3's by NAS San Pedro. One aircraft of each type was assigned to Air Group Eleven (Saratoga) and the others shipped to Pearl Harbor.
1 January 1943--Ground Controlled Approach equipment (GCA) was called into emergency use for the first time when a snowstorm closed down the field at NAS Quonset Point a half hour before a flight of PBYs was due to arrive. The GCA crew located the incoming aircraft on their search radar, and using the control tower as a relay station, "talked" one of them into position for a contact landing. This recovery was made only 9 days after the first successful experimental demonstration of GCA.
13 June 1945--A ramjet engine produced power in supersonic flight in a test conducted by the Applied Physics Laboratory at Island Beach, N.J. The ramjet unit was launched by a booster of four 5-inch high velocity aircraft rockets and achieved a range of 11,000 yards, nearly double that of similarly launched, cold units.
20 July 1945--Little Joe, a rocket-propelled surface-to-air missile, made two successful flights at Applied Physics Laboratory (Johns Hopkins University) test station at Island Beach, N.J.
Aircraft. 27 March 1940--Development of the "Flying Flapjack", a fighter aircraft with an almost circular wing, was initiated with notice of a contract award to Vought-Sikorsky Aircraft for the design of the V-173--a full-scale flying model (as distinguished from a military prototype). This design, based upon the research of a former NACA engineer, Charles H. Zimmerman, was attractive because it promised to combine a high speed of near 500 m.p.h. with a very low takeoff speed.
26 April 1940--The Naval Aircraft Factory project officer reported that an unmanned O3U-6 airplane under radio control had been successfully flight-tested beyond the safe bounds of piloted flight and that the information thus obtained had been of great value in overcoming flutter encountered at various speeds and accelerations.
4 June 1940--The Naval Aircraft Factory reported that development of airborne television had progressed to the point that signals transmitted by this means could be used to alter the course of the transmitting plane.
19April 1942--Tests of the feasibility of utilizing drone aircraft as guided missiles were conducted in Chesapeake Bay. The test was conducted by Project Fox from CAA intermediate field, Lively, Va., using a BG-2 drone equipped with a television camera to provide a view of the target. Flying in a control plane 11 miles distant, Lieutenant M. B. Taylor directed the drone's crash-dive into a raft being towed at a speed of 8 knots.
17 June 1942--The development of Pelican, an antisubmarine guided missile, was undertaken by the National Defense Research Committee with Bureau of Ordnance sponsorship. This device consisted of a glide bomb which could automatically home on a radar beam reflected from the target.
23 November 1942--The V-173, a full-scale model of a fighter aircraft with an almost circular wing, made its first flight at the Vought-Sikorsky plant, Stratford, Conn. A military version of this aircraft, the XF5U-1, was constructed later.
17 January 1943--Following tests conducted at NAS San Diego by six experienced pilots flying F4U-1s, the Commanding Officer of VF-12, Commander J. C. Clifton, reported that anti-blackout suits raised their tolerance to accelerations encountered in gunnery run and other maneuvers by three to four Gs. Also known as G-Suits.
30 November 1943--On her first operational assignment, the Martin Mars, in the hands of Lieutenant Commander W. E. Coney and crew of 16, took off from Patuxent River carrying 13,000 pounds of cargo that was delivered at Natal, Brazil, in a nonstop flight of 4,375 miles and of 28 hours 25 minutes duration.
18 January 1944--Catalinas of VP-63, based at Port Lyautey, began barrier patrols of the Strait of Gibraltar and its approaches with Magnetic Airborne Detection (MAD) gear and effectively closed the Strait to enemy U-boats during daylight hours until the end of the war.
24 February 1944--The first detection of a submerged enemy submarine by the use of MAD gear was made by Catalinas of VP-63, on a MAD barrier patrol of the approaches to the Strait of Gibraltar. They attacked the U-761 with retrorockets, and with the assistance of two ships and aircraft from two other squadrons, sank it.
6 January 1945--The Chief of Naval Operations directed that, following a period of training at NAS Kaneohe Bay, VPB Squadrons 109, 123, and 124 of Fleet Air Wing 2 be equipped to employ the SWOD Mark 9, Bat, glide bomb in combat.
Submarines. 9 September 1940--The Secretary approved a recommendation by the General Board, that 24 of the authorized submarines be equipped to carry aviation gasoline for delivery to seaplanes on the water. This was in addition to Nautilus (SS 168) which had demonstrated her ability to refuel patrol planes and had conducted a successful test dive to 300 feet with aviation gasoline aboard; and to Narwhal (SC 1) and Argonaut (SF 7) which were being altered to carry 19,000 gallons of aviation gasoline each.
Once the Bug for the Torpedoes were eliminated, the Gato class sub was just as good as it's German counterpart.
Rocket Usage. 3 July 1942--In the first successful firing of an American rocket from a plane in flight, Lieutenant Commander J. H. Hean, Gunnery Officer of Transition Training Squadron, Pacific Fleet, fired a retro-rocket from a PBY-5A in flight at Goldstone Lake, Calif. The rocket, designed to be fired aft with a velocity equal to the forward velocity of the airplane, and thus to fall vertically, was designed at the California Institute of Technology. Following successful tests, the retro-rocket became a weapon complementary to the magnetic airborne detector with Patrol Squadron 63 receiving the first service installation in February 1943.
29 January 1943--Tests of forward firing rockets projectiles from naval aircraft were completed at the Naval Proving Ground, Dahlgren, using an SB2A-4 aircraft.
7 June 1943--The Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet established a project for airborne test, by Commander Fleet Air, West Coast, of high velocity, "forward shooting" rockets. These rockets, which had nearly double the velocity of those tested earlier at Dahlgren, had been developed by a rocket section, led by Dr. C. C. Lauritsen, at the California Institute of Technology under National Defense Research Committee auspices and with Navy support. This test project, which was established in part on the basis of reports of effectiveness in service of a similar British rocket, completed its first airborne firing from a TBF of a British rocket on 14 July and of the CalTech round on 20 August. The results of these tests were so favorable that operational squadrons in both the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets were equipped with forward firing rockets before the end of the year.
11 January 1944--The first U.S. attack with forward-firing rockets was made against a German U-boat by two TBF-1C's of Composite Squadron 58 from the escort carrier Block Island.
8 March 1945--A rocket powered Gorgon air-to-air missile was launched from a PBY-5A and achieved an estimated speed of 550 m.p.h. in its first powered test flight, conducted off Cape May, N.J. under the direction of Lieutenant Commander M. B. Taylor.
21 March 1945--The development of a rocket-powered surface-to-air guided missile, was initiated as the Bureau of Aeronautics awarded a contract for 100 Larks to the Ranger Engine Division of Fairchild.
23 March 1945--PB4Y's of Patrol Bombing Squadron 109 launched two Bat glide bombs against the enemy shipping in Balikpapan Harbor, Borneo, IN THE FIRST COMBAT EMPLOYMENT OF THE ONLY AUTOMATIC HOMING BOMB TO BE USE IN WORLD WAR II.
10 May 1945--In a crash program to counter the Japanese Baka (suicide) bomb, the Naval Aircraft Modification Unit was authorized to develop Little Joe, a ship-to-air guided missile powered with a standard JATO unit.
Warships. The Fletcher class DD is superior to any type of German DD.
Where is the European equilivelent to the Essex or Midway classes of carrier?
12 July 1942--Cleveland (CL 55), operating in the Chesapeake Bay, demonstrated effectiveness of the radio-proximity fuze against aircraft by destroying three radio-controlled drones with four proximity bursts fired from her 5-inch guns. This successful demonstration led to mass production of the fuze.
5 January 1943--The first combat use of a proximity fuzed projectile occurred when Helena (CL 50) off the south coast of Guadalcanal, destroyed an attacking Japanese dive bomber with the second salvo from her 5-inch guns.
16 February-16 March--Capture of Iwo Jima. New air defense elements in the U.S. fleet were functional and noteworthy; they included the altitude-determining radar on LSTs and a Night Fighter Director on the Air Support Commander's organization.
US tech levels. 19 April 1941--Development of a Glomb (Glider Bomb) of a guided missile was initiated at the Naval Aircraft Factory. The Glomb was a glider designed to be towed long distances by a powered aircraft, released in the vicinity of the target, and guided by radio control in its attack. It was equipped with a television camera to transmit a view of the target to the control plane.
17 August 1940--Section T (so called for its Chairman, Dr. Merle A. Tuve) of Division A, National Defense Research Committee, was established to examine the feasibility of various approaches to developing a proximity fuze. Eight days later, a contract was issued to the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, Carnegie Institution of Washington, for the research that culminated in the radio VT fuze for anti-aircraft guns and both radio and photoelectric VT fuzes for bombs and rockets.
7March 1942--The practicability of using a radio sonobuoy in aerial anti-submarine warfare was demonstrated in an exercise conducted off New London by the K-5 blimp and the S-20 submarine. The buoy could detect the sound of the submerged submarine's propellers at distances up to three miles, and radio reception aboard the blimp was satisfactory up to five miles.
9 April 1942--A radio controlled TG-2 drone, directed by control pilot Lieutenant M. B. Taylor of Project Fox, made a torpedo attack on the destroyer Aaron Ward steaming at 15 knots in Narragansett Bay. Taylor utilized a view of the target obtained by a television camera mounted in the drone, and directed the attack so that the torpedo was released about 300 feet directly astern of the target and passed under it.
28 October 1942--Procurement of the expendable radio sonobuoy for use in antisubmarine warfare was initiated as the Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet directed the Bureau of Ships to procure 1,000 sonobuoy's and 100 associated receivers.
12 June 1944--In the first deployment of a guided missile unit into a combat theater, elements of Special Task Air Group 1 arrived in the Russell Islands in the South Pacific.
6 July 1944--A special Air Unit was formed under ComAirLant, with Commander James A. Smith, Officer in Charge, for transfer without delay to Commander Fleet Air Wing 7 in Europe. This unit was to attack German V-1 and V-2 launching sites with PB4Y-1's converted to assault drones.
6 September 1944--A contract was awarded to McDonnell Aircraft Corporation for construction of the Gargoyle or LBD-1, a radio controlled low-wing gliding bomb fitted with a rocket booster and designed for launching from carrier-based dive-bombers and torpedo planes against enemy ships.
27 September 1944--Guided Missiles were used in the Pacific as Special Task Air Group 1, from its base on Stirling in the Treasury Islands, began a combat demonstration of the TDR assault drone. The drones had been delivered to the Russell Islands by surface shipping and flown 45 miles to bases in the Northern Solomons where they were stripped for pilotless flight and armed with bombs of up to 2,000 pounds. For combat against heavily defended targets, a control operator in an accompanying TBM guided the drone by radio and directed the final assault by means of a picture received from a television camera mounted in the drone. In the initial attack, against antiaircraft emplacements in a beached merchant ship defending Kahili airstrip on South Bougainville, two out of four TDR's struck the target ship.
26 October 1944--The last attack in a month long demonstration of the TDR assault drone was made by Special Task Air Group, thereby concluding the first use of the guided missile in the Pacific. During the demonstration a total of 46 drones were expended of which 29 reached the target areas: two attacked a lighthouse on Cape St. George, New Ireland, making one hit which demolished the structure; nine attacked anti-aircraft emplacements on beached ships achieving six direct hits and two near misses; and 18 attacked other targets in the Shortlands and Rabaul areas making 11 hits.
20 July 1945--Fleet Airborne Electronics Training Units (FAETU) were established in the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets to train airborne early warning crews in the theory, operation and maintenance of their equipment.
How you can claim the American technological levels were far in the arrears of the ***** shows an exterme bias on some folks part, along with a lack of proper research and contempt for the truth.
I will tell you one thing, when folks make such insulting personal comments against the US like some have you had better have the fact to back it up, or they will look like a fool again.
I really do not expect the Yank haters to read all my FACTS, but I dare them to disprove them. As they can't, because my statements are fact and not opinion and biased based inneundo.
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I just didn't even bother reading all that... But Ummm I a bit offended that I got called a 'Yank hating Euro' 
and I'm sure you didn't read my post...
It was based on wat would have happened if we and the Russians were defeated...
And No I haven't forgot about how kind the Americans were to have an Ally begging for some 8 or 15 outdated Destroyers... Yea real nice thanks there...
Do you really think with the Industrial Capacity of Europe, Asia, Astrailasia (watever) and Africa that the Americans could win in a war single-handedly against all of that Economic Power and Military Power... all the Axis would have to do is stop trade with the USA and then declare war... That my friend is why everyone thinks that Americans are Arrogant... is Because they think they could really take on the world and win...
You wouldn't have won my Friend... Just like Britain and Russia wouldn't have won without American Aid... I don't hate Americans... So i'll be damned if I let people think that...
Right I thought I'd read your post to be polite... Do you really think the Germans would have been Behind if they weren't fighting a losing war... They had the Oil supplies so they could afford to put more and more research into Military Projects... Your tech would have been outstriped and outdated by the time the Germans had enough resources to invade the States... If you notice I never gave a date for the German Invasion of the US... It could have happened 50 years in the Future... when Germany and all of their Takings are solidified...
Sorry my friend you would have been messed... No way would America beable to survive against the Rest of the World so to speak...
So I welcome more bollox from you... Yea there won't be any facts to back up my claims... cus the Allies won the War and that is that... But if you dare think that your Country could have Matched the Germans in military hardware ur ***king demented even...
Ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge... Oh wait... Germans mostly underage and overage... Broke though the American lines and nearly ***ked you up, where was the Amazing Military Tech you guys have... Oh wait it was burning just like the rest... And that was a 'Last Throw of the Dice' and they still manged to break through, yes it was a Ambush but still, Your Americans! you should beable to handle 500,000 Old men and Babies... backed by your supreior WW2 tech... Damn you could have pushed though and taken Moscow too if you wanted *Sarcasim Off*
But really we've beaten around this bush Enough... I wasn't saying that The British didn't need you... Yes the Americans had a damn fine military building capacity but be honest with yourself do you think that America could have withstanded a full on invasion from Germany and Japan? Do you think that the American Fleet could withstand a Full Smashing from the German fleet... lets just say its 40 years down the Line... just imagine how many Bismark like Battleships the Germans would have... Ermm no your not gonna win...
But Anyway one of the Dev please lock this Thread i'm really starting to get sick of Arguing with Conservative, Anti-Anyone whos not American Yanks...
and I'm sure you didn't read my post...It was based on wat would have happened if we and the Russians were defeated...
And No I haven't forgot about how kind the Americans were to have an Ally begging for some 8 or 15 outdated Destroyers... Yea real nice thanks there...
Do you really think with the Industrial Capacity of Europe, Asia, Astrailasia (watever) and Africa that the Americans could win in a war single-handedly against all of that Economic Power and Military Power... all the Axis would have to do is stop trade with the USA and then declare war... That my friend is why everyone thinks that Americans are Arrogant... is Because they think they could really take on the world and win...
You wouldn't have won my Friend... Just like Britain and Russia wouldn't have won without American Aid... I don't hate Americans... So i'll be damned if I let people think that...
Right I thought I'd read your post to be polite... Do you really think the Germans would have been Behind if they weren't fighting a losing war... They had the Oil supplies so they could afford to put more and more research into Military Projects... Your tech would have been outstriped and outdated by the time the Germans had enough resources to invade the States... If you notice I never gave a date for the German Invasion of the US... It could have happened 50 years in the Future... when Germany and all of their Takings are solidified...
Sorry my friend you would have been messed... No way would America beable to survive against the Rest of the World so to speak...
So I welcome more bollox from you... Yea there won't be any facts to back up my claims... cus the Allies won the War and that is that... But if you dare think that your Country could have Matched the Germans in military hardware ur ***king demented even...
Ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge... Oh wait... Germans mostly underage and overage... Broke though the American lines and nearly ***ked you up, where was the Amazing Military Tech you guys have... Oh wait it was burning just like the rest... And that was a 'Last Throw of the Dice' and they still manged to break through, yes it was a Ambush but still, Your Americans! you should beable to handle 500,000 Old men and Babies... backed by your supreior WW2 tech... Damn you could have pushed though and taken Moscow too if you wanted *Sarcasim Off*
But really we've beaten around this bush Enough... I wasn't saying that The British didn't need you... Yes the Americans had a damn fine military building capacity but be honest with yourself do you think that America could have withstanded a full on invasion from Germany and Japan? Do you think that the American Fleet could withstand a Full Smashing from the German fleet... lets just say its 40 years down the Line... just imagine how many Bismark like Battleships the Germans would have... Ermm no your not gonna win...
But Anyway one of the Dev please lock this Thread i'm really starting to get sick of Arguing with Conservative, Anti-Anyone whos not American Yanks...
Supporting Nuclear Power in the UK.
Just because the Japanese happened to build one near multiple fault lines doesn't make them any more dangerous than they were before the Earthquake.
Just because the Japanese happened to build one near multiple fault lines doesn't make them any more dangerous than they were before the Earthquake.
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Man CptBritish you are a * moron, you want to throw around epithets fine I will also.
1. Dumbass, it was 50 Destroyers and American escorting of British convoys to Iceland, like an idiot you keep missing the target.
2. Even if you and the Russians would have lost the Germans would still lose. Prove with fact otherwise.
3. Once again READ my post, America had 53% of the WORLD's, which includes IIRC all of those places you listed, GNP in 45! And we had begun to scale back production in 44 as we were making too much. The US Produced more tanks in one year than the ***** did in the whole damned war. The US Produced more shipping in 6 months than the Japanese did in 7! You are damedn right we would have stomped the Axis a new orifice.
4. Try getting more fact, the US was an oil EXPORTER till the late 60's. We did not NEED the mideast oil, you in Europe did. Ever hear of something called the big inch? I suppose not, as that is beyond your research ability it seems.
5. No the Axis would be messed. Once again you provided no fact just Nazi worshipping by you.
6. Buddy get off your damned Nazi loving horse! I have shown with FACT where the US was SUPERIOR to the * *****, you as of yet to provide ONE iota of fact to back your claims, just like an ignorant dumbass you are.
7. Hmm, lets see, it took the 2 panzer armies and 2 infantry armies a couple of days to break through a new and green division, destroying one regiment, ever hear of the fortified goose egg? Read some history. Then an entire Panzer army was STOPPED by ONE airborne division, till relieved by 3 Armor divisions which proceeded to stomp the **** out of said Panzer army. Yeah I HAVE heard of the Bulge. Real accomplishment in taking 4 * armies to break one division huh, did it achive anything? Nope just the death of more Germans in a hopless attack.
8. You damned right we would stomp them a new orifices. Erm imagine all the Montanas and Midway carriers that would sink said Nazi fleet. Get a grip on some reality.
9. You really are a moron aren't you? How do you know I am a conservative? Do you know who I voted for?
Or once again are you just spouting more Idiotic non-informed drivel? My posts were showing you why logistically why the Axis could NOT defeat the US, then you went spastic and began cursing.
Thorgrimm
1. Dumbass, it was 50 Destroyers and American escorting of British convoys to Iceland, like an idiot you keep missing the target.
2. Even if you and the Russians would have lost the Germans would still lose. Prove with fact otherwise.
3. Once again READ my post, America had 53% of the WORLD's, which includes IIRC all of those places you listed, GNP in 45! And we had begun to scale back production in 44 as we were making too much. The US Produced more tanks in one year than the ***** did in the whole damned war. The US Produced more shipping in 6 months than the Japanese did in 7! You are damedn right we would have stomped the Axis a new orifice.
4. Try getting more fact, the US was an oil EXPORTER till the late 60's. We did not NEED the mideast oil, you in Europe did. Ever hear of something called the big inch? I suppose not, as that is beyond your research ability it seems.
5. No the Axis would be messed. Once again you provided no fact just Nazi worshipping by you.
6. Buddy get off your damned Nazi loving horse! I have shown with FACT where the US was SUPERIOR to the * *****, you as of yet to provide ONE iota of fact to back your claims, just like an ignorant dumbass you are.
7. Hmm, lets see, it took the 2 panzer armies and 2 infantry armies a couple of days to break through a new and green division, destroying one regiment, ever hear of the fortified goose egg? Read some history. Then an entire Panzer army was STOPPED by ONE airborne division, till relieved by 3 Armor divisions which proceeded to stomp the **** out of said Panzer army. Yeah I HAVE heard of the Bulge. Real accomplishment in taking 4 * armies to break one division huh, did it achive anything? Nope just the death of more Germans in a hopless attack.
8. You damned right we would stomp them a new orifices. Erm imagine all the Montanas and Midway carriers that would sink said Nazi fleet. Get a grip on some reality.
9. You really are a moron aren't you? How do you know I am a conservative? Do you know who I voted for?
Or once again are you just spouting more Idiotic non-informed drivel? My posts were showing you why logistically why the Axis could NOT defeat the US, then you went spastic and began cursing.
Thorgrimm
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I don't understand why anyone agrued this post, The US had to protect its financial investments (arments loans Britain owed)Thorgrimm wrote:And just in case nobody wanted to look it up, here are a few tidbits.
Do you know of the actions President Roosevelt took in direct contravention of the rules of neutrality during the war? By giving the Allies credit he was throwing out neutral status. The destroyer deal with the British is also a violation of the neutrality act. Then when the US began to ESCORT British convoys, that was all but a declaration of war on Germany. On 31 October 1941, while escorting the convoy HX-156 the US DD-245, USS Reuben James, was sunk with 115 out of 160 hands going down with the ship. The Reuben James was the FIRST American ship lost in WW2, lost before an official declaration of war. In truth President Roosevelt tried everything short of booting out the Senate to get the US into the war.
The US considered the Navy THE first line of defense. So 2 things would have to happen for ANY nation to invade this continent.
1. Defeat the US navy, without nukes, it isn't happening.
2. create and maintain a merchant marine capable of transferring and maintaining sufficient force to complete the conquest. Again without nukes it isn't happening.
And both of these conditions were beyond the capabilities of the Germans or anybody else in WW2. In 1944 the US began to cut back war production as we were producing too much! Even with our allies using American supplies.
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Me a nazi I voted for Labour you divy sh*t.
50 Outdated Destroyers ok I didn't know the Numbers... So what... Sue me...
I don't like wat the Germans did in WW2... I would have gladly fought in WW2 against them just like my Great-Granddad did...
Hmmm yes of Coarse the Germans would have lost *Sarcasim Off* you may have had better building Capacity than the Germans... but if they had captured everything other than North and South America They would have outstripped you fast enough... Yes the Americans could build 10+ Shermans... For every Tiger tank... But i'm sure for every Tiger blown to sh*t, 10+ shermans would be burning...
Oil Exporter... in the 60s... Read my post I said maybe 40 years down the Line... hmmm 1945 plus 40 years... where does that leave you hmmm. Theres the Stereotypical American IQ that I've been waiting for...
I may not have one fact to back up the fact that the Germans would have beat you... but you don't have any to prove that they wouldn't have...
The coldest, snowiest weather “in memory†in the Ardennes Forest on the German/Belgium border.
· Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
· 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
· 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
· The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian, Canadian and French troops.
· 100,000 German casualties, killed, wounded or captured.
· 81,000 American casualties, including 23,554 captured and 19,000 killed.
· 1,400 British casualties 200 killed.
· 800 tanks lost on each side, 1,000 German aircraft.
· The Malmedy Massacre, where 86 American soldiers were murdered, was the worst atrocity committed against American troops during the course of the war in Europe.
· My division, the 106th Infantry Division, average age of 22 years, suffered 564 killed in action, 1,246 wounded and 7,001 missing in action at the end of the offensive. Most of these casualties occurred within the first three days of battle, when two of the division’s three regiments was forced to surrender.
· In it's entirety, the “Battle of the Bulge,†was the worst battles- in terms of losses - to the American Forces in WWII.
Hmmm Yes they may have been Greenish so to speak but I doubt they would have been Conscripts like the Germans were... Oh wait wat does that say '3 american armies'... Thats a few more than a Division...
***k You. I know my history...
Erm German Battleships were better than yours simply put stfu you don't know wat your talking about... Oh wait plus our Fleet if it wasn't Scuttled before capture... Wait how many ships did we have... hmmm A lot thats how many...
Yes the US was SUPERIOR to the Nazi's I'd rather live somewhere where I could live my Live without worrying about Secret Police... But the Germans were quite honestly technolgically SUPERIOR to the States...
So back down from your Nationistic ***king high chair... I have i've admitted that the British needed the help of the Americans we couldn't have won it without American Help... But in the Long run joining us in WW2 was better off for you... But still I think the Axis would have destroyed you...
I wanted to end this Rant I don't like it when debates turn personal... But no you couldn't resist could you... "OMG I can't look like i'm backing down, Must carry on arguing... Body Can't Resist the Chance to prove that My Country is Great"... ***k off, Get a life and learn not to take things personal...
I like America as I keep saying, I get on with Americans... But you've pissed me of you ***king Zelot Learn that Nobody is Better than anyone else... Esspecially you... You ***king over-stressed Tw*t.
Sorry to everyone that reads this... I just don't really like been called a Nazi is all...
50 Outdated Destroyers ok I didn't know the Numbers... So what... Sue me...
I don't like wat the Germans did in WW2... I would have gladly fought in WW2 against them just like my Great-Granddad did...
Hmmm yes of Coarse the Germans would have lost *Sarcasim Off* you may have had better building Capacity than the Germans... but if they had captured everything other than North and South America They would have outstripped you fast enough... Yes the Americans could build 10+ Shermans... For every Tiger tank... But i'm sure for every Tiger blown to sh*t, 10+ shermans would be burning...
Oil Exporter... in the 60s... Read my post I said maybe 40 years down the Line... hmmm 1945 plus 40 years... where does that leave you hmmm. Theres the Stereotypical American IQ that I've been waiting for...
I may not have one fact to back up the fact that the Germans would have beat you... but you don't have any to prove that they wouldn't have...
The coldest, snowiest weather “in memory†in the Ardennes Forest on the German/Belgium border.
· Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
· 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
· 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
· The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian, Canadian and French troops.
· 100,000 German casualties, killed, wounded or captured.
· 81,000 American casualties, including 23,554 captured and 19,000 killed.
· 1,400 British casualties 200 killed.
· 800 tanks lost on each side, 1,000 German aircraft.
· The Malmedy Massacre, where 86 American soldiers were murdered, was the worst atrocity committed against American troops during the course of the war in Europe.
· My division, the 106th Infantry Division, average age of 22 years, suffered 564 killed in action, 1,246 wounded and 7,001 missing in action at the end of the offensive. Most of these casualties occurred within the first three days of battle, when two of the division’s three regiments was forced to surrender.
· In it's entirety, the “Battle of the Bulge,†was the worst battles- in terms of losses - to the American Forces in WWII.
Hmmm Yes they may have been Greenish so to speak but I doubt they would have been Conscripts like the Germans were... Oh wait wat does that say '3 american armies'... Thats a few more than a Division...
***k You. I know my history...
Erm German Battleships were better than yours simply put stfu you don't know wat your talking about... Oh wait plus our Fleet if it wasn't Scuttled before capture... Wait how many ships did we have... hmmm A lot thats how many...
Yes the US was SUPERIOR to the Nazi's I'd rather live somewhere where I could live my Live without worrying about Secret Police... But the Germans were quite honestly technolgically SUPERIOR to the States...
So back down from your Nationistic ***king high chair... I have i've admitted that the British needed the help of the Americans we couldn't have won it without American Help... But in the Long run joining us in WW2 was better off for you... But still I think the Axis would have destroyed you...
I wanted to end this Rant I don't like it when debates turn personal... But no you couldn't resist could you... "OMG I can't look like i'm backing down, Must carry on arguing... Body Can't Resist the Chance to prove that My Country is Great"... ***k off, Get a life and learn not to take things personal...
I like America as I keep saying, I get on with Americans... But you've pissed me of you ***king Zelot Learn that Nobody is Better than anyone else... Esspecially you... You ***king over-stressed Tw*t.
Sorry to everyone that reads this... I just don't really like been called a Nazi is all...
Supporting Nuclear Power in the UK.
Just because the Japanese happened to build one near multiple fault lines doesn't make them any more dangerous than they were before the Earthquake.
Just because the Japanese happened to build one near multiple fault lines doesn't make them any more dangerous than they were before the Earthquake.