Buying land, COMPLETELY BROKEN

Post by **Balthagor** » Jun 01 2005

Well it seems we're getting onto two separate issues.

Post Nuclear - AI is not accepting land
Glorius - Can't get peace

To Glorius, we have other discussions about this but I would expect they refuse because they don't like your region. Check the diplomatic relations.

To Post Nuclear, if you disagrees with how it is evaluating land offers...

Balthagor wrote:If anyone disagrees with that, be sure to give examples of in what circumstance you think the AI should accept land trades. Please give as much detail as possible.

I need more details. Much more details.

CptBritish · Post by **CptBritish** » Jun 01 2005

Land Trade should main be used for making peace...

You give 60 hex back around their capital and they give you peace etc

The AI should mark out the land and (of coarse) you get to look at whats its chosen first...

Decimatus · Post by **Decimatus** » Jun 01 2005

AI should accept reasonable land for land trades. Not sure how the AI would determine "reasonable", but sometimes land gets rather choppy after a war, and it would be nice to be able to smooth it out some.

Also, there should be some tag system where an AI takes your land, but you still claim the land. So, in peace negotiations you can click an option to put all your stolen land on the table.

Post by **Balthagor** » Jun 02 2005

Decimatus wrote:...Not sure how the AI would determine "reasonable"...

Well now that's the real trouble, isn't it?

And for the AI knowing how to make land tags, that is even more complex.

Until we can come up with solutions to these issues, I don't see the AI being able to trust that a land trade is "in it's favor".

An exploit we are concerned with, you're being attacked by AI #1 so you sell a 1 hex wide strip running north/south that creates a barrier against him and offer it to AI #2. If he accpets, it really screws things up and the AIs will have a hard time figuring out how to get around it. It just feels likes something that is too easily abused.

We've seen the abuse in Multiplayer dev games between players already!

Gotthard · Post by **Gotthard** » Jun 02 2005

The AI also makes counter offers that are stupid.

I offer him a unit edsign, worth 500k, for one worth 75k.

He responds by adding 6.7B to my offer, like I PAY 6.7B for his 75k unit.
Not very balanced... definately they play hardball.

Pajari · Post by **Pajari** » Jun 02 2005

Maybe the enemy didn't want to surrender because it knew you were about to ruin your economy.!

There's very little chance of that, and does it matter? If syria is getting ground into a fine dust, then shouldn't they be grasping at every last straw for peace? The AI never makes peace with you, ever- this isn't just a land trades issue.

In fact, the AI never agreeing to peace is the only real problem with the diplomacy- everything else, especially in Update 2, is pretty good (except I wish the AI would make diplomatic offers to you and agree to your diplomatic offers easier

).

Post by **Balthagor** » Jun 03 2005

I've been able to get the AI to agree to peace. Please give examples of cases where you thought the AI should accept and include the diplomatic rating, civilian rating and Belli rating of that player towards your region.

Or even better, when you try and they refuse, send me the savegame in e-mail with details and we'll review the specific cases. No garuntee on turn around time if I start getting flooded with these

Glorius · Post by **Glorius** » Jun 04 2005

I would have a question:

I have made another peace with another country. It was a simple peace-paece offer. He accepted, and the land I have conquered stayed on my hands...how is it possible?

And how the loyalty of a region will change?

Thanks in advance!

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Jun 04 2005

when you try and they refuse, send me the savegame in e-mail with details and we'll review the specific cases

I have all treaties except an alliance with S. Germany and in being at war with W. Germany I re-captured some of his land and a little of W. Germany,I have tried to give S. Germany his land back with nothing in exchange and he still refuses. Is this an example you want?

haenkie · Post by **haenkie** » Jun 04 2005

No he wanted to see a faile dpeace offer from your side, iwth giving lands etc in return. Maybe more in scenarios where you kill of the other guy.

but you giving lands to West Germany and he refuses is also a nice one to send I think.

Post by **Balthagor** » Jun 04 2005

Glorius wrote:I would have a question:

I have made another peace with another country. It was a simple peace-paece offer. He accepted, and the land I have conquered stayed on my hands...how is it possible?

And how the loyalty of a region will change?

Thanks in advance!

You negotiated peace without dealing with the land, so the land you conquered is yours now.

As for loyalty, it only changes between scenarios of a campaign, not during a scenario.

Glorius · Post by **Glorius** » Jun 04 2005

Aham...thanks.

post_Nuclear · Post by **post_Nuclear** » Jun 04 2005

I am sorry for my abscence , but I was not able to play those days...
I will try to give more information as soon as possible...

btw, I just got an idea...why don't you make the newly conquered territory not usable until the peace agreement. This new tag for the territory will make the AI to decide more easily when to accept peace proposals. For example , if the newly conquered territory is a given % from its overall territory , and the AI does'nt have military forces, it will be made to accept. The peace negotiatons will define the territory border and so on...I know that idea is CRAZY and it requires a looot of work , but it's just a thought