Charging unsupported supply units ????

[tkobo]

Okay, this one is FAR to funny.

I just made a small advance and was starting to set up my lines for a larger advance on an AI capital.

The usaul AI counter charge comes out to stop me.

THEN after all of the first AI counter charge is dead, low and behold they launch a second one consisting ONLY OF SUPPLY UNITS.

They have NO protection or combat units at all with them.Theres about 12 of them.They just charged out of the AI strong point and have taken up positions 2 hexs out from my main line.

My artillary is not in place yet or i might not even have noticed them as they would have likely been anililated before i even saw them.

Perhaps they were meant to supply the first AI counter attack ?But got there too late (after all those units were dead) ?

[George Geczy]

Perhaps they were meant to supply the first AI counter attack ?But got there too late (after all those units were dead) ?

I just responded to this in the 'Pictures' thread, but yes, the situation is what you are guessing here - They are trying to resupply an attack that isn't possible to launch because you've killed the poor guys armor and infantry by now.

In a fresh game, the transports will die earlier in the initial attacks

-- George.

[tkobo]

When they come under fire, they charge.

They originally stop almost everytime 2 hexes out from the known enemy.
But once that enemy attacks them, they charge.

In the cases ive seen, they stop at the 2 hex out mark,but when attacked by art they then charge my front line.

And to make sure you know, im not complaining,Im just explaining something i found both interesting and funny.

I dont want this to be changed. I like it.

[bergsjaeger]

are u sure the trucks weren't loaded with explosives.

[tkobo]

Well, they did blow up nicely when they acually reached my lav-5as.
But i chalk that up to the way the Lav-5a's greeted them

[hanzie]

If sweden ever gets involved in a war, and I get drafted, thats exactly the kind of order I'll get.

"You there! Get into that old truck, floor it and charge that line of enemy tanks! Stare them down, son!"

"Yes, sir! Im glad to be of service, sir!"

hehe

[Lightbringer]

Heck...I already drive a truck just about the same size... (given an order like that, I might just end up with an officer for a hood ornament before I charge.)

[tkobo]

"before I charge"

So, ummm, that kind of sounds like you'd follow the order ?

Not me.

[Lightbringer]

If I sign up to fight...that involves following orders. Noone told me not to paint the enemy's colors and symbol on my truck first. Nor did the ordinance sargeant "see" me loading all those explosives in the back. Heck, they didn't say not to circle around behind them and charge either...

But yeah, to get back to the game situation. If I was supply for a counter attack, I'd drive like hell to be where I was supposed to be. If the tanks and IFVs don't make it, yeah, I'm screwed. But if they DO make it, and I don't show up because I think it is a dumb order? They're screwed. I'm the sort to die following orders rather than get my mates killed by disobeying.

[bergsjaeger]

How do i always start the silliness. That be funny in away watching crazy drivers in trucks charging line where they should know they be dead in a few seconds.

[tkobo]

If a "superior" ordered me to drive a unarmed supply truck into the enemy front lines,the first thing id do is "remove" that superior.

Id view it as my duty to make sure a person giving such inane orders was prevented from doing it more.

Id be more than willing to face whatever consquences came with my actions.
BUT theres NO way i'd let that idiot continue to issue such orders to others.

just me i guess .

[bergsjaeger]

Well true. Such orders are for the desperate. But I admit I haven't seen charging trucks yet. Maybe its because I never let the AI have time to use the trucks in an offense.

[Lightbringer]

Well, if you read my original reply carefully you will notice reference to a hood ornament. Nothing like having the insanely incompetent officer take "point" in the attack he/she ordered. Let them see the results firsthand.

We are skipping over the real point to argue the ethics of mutiny. The computer never ordered supply trucks to attack by themselves, it ordered them to support other attacking units that were destroyed right out of the gate.

[tkobo]

I dont want to get to far into this part about the orders, as its simply not important to me.

The computer never ordered supply trucks to attack by themselves, it ordered them to support other attacking units that were destroyed right out of the gate.

Yes, actually it did.

At the point of this game in which the trucks are ordered to make their suicide movement and than charge,there are NO units for the trucks to support in an attack.
Its not a case of the AI ordered infrantry /tank/ etc.. units to attack and the trucks to support them,with the unit the trucks were ordered to support being destroyed right after they acted on the order.

Its a case of there being NO units capable of attacking in range when the order was given,but the trucks are sent anyway to support units that simply dont exist.

The reason this occurred was that the game was patched way into the playtime of that particular scenario i was playing and i had destroyed all the threatning enemy units in the area.
BUT the AI wasnt able to take that into account when it sent out the order for units that didnt exist to attack, including asking the supply trucks to support those non-existant units.

[Lightbringer]

((shrugs)) Fair enough.