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Is there some explanation as to why small army bases cost more to maintain than medium bases?
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Its because that parts that make up the base have to manufactured with microscopic precision, because they are so small, and the manchinery that makes that sort of thing is not cheap!!

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Think of it as a sort of Easter Egg.
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No economy of scale. Or, a clerical error in one of the config files. Take your pick.

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Do you mean per build slot it is more expensive? 2 smalls is more than 1 medium, but one small is less than one medium. That was done on purpose to assume a "bulk discount" sort of thing...
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The annual maintenance cost, that is paired with the manpower number on the Base information screen is what I'm referring to.

Example: Greece WWIII

an outpost has an annual maintenance cost of 21,973 M

A small army base= 30,931 M

Medium= 26,937 M


though the actual costs differ in different sizes of scenarios, this pricing pattern is constant. (I guess I'd have to check some old save games to be absolutely sure) It seems like the small has the medium price tag, and the medium has the small cost number.
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Hmm, strange, David had a game open so I had him look at his map;

US map

Outpost 1,500M
Small 2,400M
Med 2,900M

We've not seen a case where the prices didn't match this sort of pattern. Are all the bases at 100% condition? Anything different about the bases?
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Ok, i've got too much time on my hands so I thought I would check it out my self.

I found 3 bases in the WW3 map in Russia:

1-Outpose-Adazi-$5.221M
2-Sm Base-Ivanovo-$7.418M
3-Med Base-Alabino-Naro-$6.628M

I found that it was the small base that was more expensive than the medium base.

Does the number of reserve units in a base effect cost?

Because I found that there were less reserves in the Medium Base than the Small base...

1-0
2-10
3-6

I am going to go to a different map and have another look, as I said, I have way too much time on my hand what with school holidays and all.
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Different map, same results:

North america, as the west Us

Outpose-Camp Adair-$6.663M
Sm Base-Fort Bliss-$9.667M
Med Base-Sierra-$9.131M

This difference is less though...
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Did you try deploying all the reserves? Too late for us to fix now (George doesn't even have a debugger set up to view savegames anymore) but would be good to know what we're watching for when the rebuilt engine is up and running.
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No, i wasnt even sure if the reserves would have an effect, however I will now give that a go, with the same bases and leave it a few game days and see what happens.
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Ok, i just finished testing useing the same small and medium bases as before in Russia (Ivanovo and Alabino-Naro respectivly). I got the same starting figures:

Ivanovo-$7.418M
Alabino-Naro-$6.628M

I took results for 5 game days, however due to the time in the UK i realy cant be bothered typing them all out, however on the last day i got numbers of:

Ivanovo-$7.393M
Alabino-Naro-$6.604M

Some simple math, shows that Ivanovo suffered a decrese in cost of $0.025M and Alabino-Naro had a decrease of $0.024M. Which i would take to mean that deploying the reserves has no appreacialbe effect on the costs of running the facilites.

I will at some point tomorrow night (can't test during the day, revision :cry: ) check some other countries.
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Yes, it isn't the reserves, I scanned through the entire list and all bases of the same size had the same cost regardless of building units or reserves present. I have confirmed the same pattern in a Dallas Campaign at the world level, WWIII, and the south Asia Scenario. I'd warrant it is present in all scenarios.

I was actually referring to the "Estimated Annual Operating Cost". I'm not sure why I thought it was referred to as maintenance. Anyway Chris, I have screen shots or save games if you want me to send along examples of what I'm talking about, but you can get the same information I'm speaking of by right clicking a base and clicking "details", then scrolling back and forth through the base info pages.

In any case, I am not overly worried about it, it seems to me that the values for smalls and mediums were switched somehow.
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