Feedback on region opinions (Split from GIJoe Suggestions)

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Feedback on region opinions (Split from GIJoe Suggestions)

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GIJoe597 wrote:
Feb 16 2023
Clear notice when/why a countries opinion/relation with you changed or may change.
This is a big topic, so worthy of it's own thread. we've always struggled with how much feedback to provide and how to provide that feedback. Ticket 32487.

This one in particular is tough. There are 100s of causes of relationship micro-changes happening all the time. Trading, new treaties, troop movements for example. And there are so many because everyone is experiencing these all at once. When I sign a treaty with 1 region in a volatile split world between two spheres, I've just affected relationships with more than 100 other regions. We can't just put 100 on map notices or send 100 newsitems in response to this 1 action. There are also some of the causes that, if indicated, give players artificial knowledge. If you have a tank a few hexes back from the border of region B, they have a unit outside your LoS that can see the tank and seeing the tank "upsets" them, but you don't know about their spotting unit. We can't tell you why your relationship just dropped by 1%. And is 1% really significant? We also only know what affected relations "yesterday". The game doesn't store historical values.

So in order to move forward on something like this, we would need more context and examples. The main actions are the ones I listed - trades, treaties, wars and troop deployment. What other action/effect pairs are you thinking we don't report?
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If I recall correctly, I made that note after clicking on condemn a nations actions. I think that in conjunction with some of my allies losing relation/standing with me and I not understanding what caused it.
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GIJoe597 wrote:
Mar 14 2023
If I recall correctly, I made that note after clicking on condemn a nations actions. I think that in conjunction with some of my allies losing relation/standing with me and I not understanding what caused it.
Yeah, that would be a tricky one. Not sure how to preview the potential changes for the player when it could be affecting 200+ relationships. Plus, if a fraction of a second before they push the button some wars or alliances change, the results of their action would not be what we previewed. I'm not sure we can (or should) save the player from the real-life uncertainty of what will happen when you poke another country.
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At the very least some sort of indication when full fledged allies (Formal Alliance) lower their opinion of you?
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GIJoe597 wrote:
Mar 15 2023
At the very least some sort of indication when full fledged allies (Formal Alliance) lower their opinion of you?
As alert messages?

What if you have over 100 allies?

These are the designs issues we struggle with :-)
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Alright, an allied country would not ask their ambassador to have a word with you because you are busy seeing all the other ambassadors. Noted.

On a serious note. I understand. Thank you for your time.
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To be clear, your question did generate some digging in the code and design discussions. We just hit a wall when we started looking at the alerts system as a feedback mechanism. We're coming up against that concept of "If everything is important, then nothing is important".
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