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I began the Greek campaign playing as Bulgaria. At the begining of the game my advisor told me that by taking Athen the greek islands will surrender. So I invaded the war went well and I have taken Athen and all continental Greece. However, the Greeks moved their capital in Crete and they dont seems like they will surrender. Bulgaria has just a handfull of frigates and no naval tech, I just can't attack Crete. The Greeks now have a shortage of everything, I dont know how they manage to keep going on.

What's going to happen? What can I do? Is there a way to make them surrender?

Thanks in advance!

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

I cant remember my experiences with that region,so i cant say anything of help about the briefing .

But as for reaching crete,have you looked at dropping forces by air ?There are some decent range low tech russian helis and planes that might allow you to get some troops to crete.

Im at my shop atm, so i cant check range and availibilty for your region.But its something to look at if you havent yet.

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Chuckle TM

I just have a Mi-17 and Mi-8 helicopter, can't do much with that! In addition that the Greeks have a large army in Crete. The thing is that in that campaign there is no tech trading possible.

Is there a way to make the Greeks surrender with diplomacy?

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

Nope.
Your gonna have to either wait til the region colapses,which is hard to say when about,or your gonna have to take it by force.

Ill give it a look in a few hours when i get home.

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Chuckle TM

I took a look at the units available to you in this scenario. I forgot to check if you had a full sized air base, so if you don't you will need to upgrade an air strip.

The way I would handle this would be to research the Mi-17 and then build about 6-10 of them. While this is happening, build a similar number of "airborn" leg infantry units. I also forgot to check the range to target, so you may need to research and build one of the larger cargo planes available to you. In any case, what you will have to do is provide yourself with transport and air drop capable units, then find a quiet corner of Crete to drop them on.

Hope it goes well!

-Light

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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” -Winston Churchill

I dont think I can win in Crete just with airborne units, the Greek army is too strong and their fleet is shooting down my helicopters.

Can it take very long until their region collapse? There is difinitly a balance problem with this campaign when playing Bulgaria!

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

Its not just that scenario,its a flaw in the game.Ive seen a region with just one city and one base last many years despite huge shortages,with no sign of collasping.

I dont have a clue how the game decides when a AI region will just fail.I do know that it can lead to some very funny situations though.

Id guess that Light's correct and that your best bet is still probably air-assualt.

Get your military troop efficiency up to 90+% , and get a full stack (7units) or two into a close combat hex on the island.
When the AI is hurting money wise, it cuts back on its units efficiency,which can allow the player to pull off huge victories with few units,even when ungodly outnumbered, by simply maxing out their efficiency.

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Chuckle TM

you have ways to build some missile units? Mass missile assaults do crack "flower cluster armies" unless they have colossal low air defence.

Thanks for your advices guys. I managed to launch a successful airborne attack on Crete (like the Germans in 1941!) I think I had waited too long for the Greeks to collapse and they became too strong. Next time a similar situation happens I will know what to do!

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

Cool.

You did have a sea invasion option also.

You could have researched the Graz (cruiser) and the Sava(sub) both in about 1 year.Build some ports, built up a 4 stack navy (2stacks cruisers,2 stacks subs) and crushed their navy.

The Mi17 only took about 1/4 a year to research for an air assualt.And research Elite forces for the gound unit (also about 1/4 year if i remember correctly)

I did the air assualt (because it was faster ;p) and though it was kinda ugly(i lost like 13 units), it was still good enough for most people i think.

Landed on the north tip and walked stacks of elite infrantry inland.

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Chuckle TM

I used transport planes dropping airborne troops. Its faster than using helicopters. The Greek fleet was too powerful and it would have take too long to research and build all the ships needed.

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

Also, if you are worried about AA fire you may use a bit unsavory tactic such as airplanes or decoy helicopters taking a few hits while you unload the men to a hex they don't control.

Also, ships shoot planes too :(

I didnt have a problem with their navy, it was their airforce (which i had left bottled up in one airbase) that kept sortying out after my helis

I wiped out their navy (in the area) using the su25s and few other aircraft the region starts with.So there was no naval threat to the helis as they ferried my troops to the island.

I didnt do it carefully, i just rushed thru it to make sure it was reasonably doable.

And my research on the super flankers didnt finish til after i bum rushed their last airbase :(

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Chuckle TM

It takes forever to research stuff even if I put more than the double in recommended funding! I built a few research centers more, but it didnt helped very much. Is it faster if I research less tech at once?

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"Hail Constantius, Master of the Empire and the World" -Ammianus Marcellinus

Technically its faster to research more than one tech at a time.

You should get the muliple techs faster this way than if you researched them each one at a time.
BUT
There are some hang ups.

Like :For multiple techs make sure your spending enough to go over the cap, so you dont take an efficiency hit.An efficiency hit can cost you the time advantage by slowing down overall research.

Best to max out the research spending, this allows you to stay capped, and get a fast research due to high efficiency.

BUT in short games (with small regions) i find it best to research one item at a time, becuase i can than be building said item (after it completes research) while the next item is being researched.

So if i do things in stages,it works out well.

I had 5 centers and i think was spending about 120mil a day.

My game lasted circa 2 years.

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Chuckle TM